On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I should add that the research-and-data team is also on board with this > approach. Honestly, I think it's a little silly that we make the > distinction between methodological expertise when we split the team up. > +1. I should have said "the research team", since we're really one big data-loving family. > But "thick data", come on. We can get a better term than that? How about > "meaningful measurements"? Or we could just call it "competent application > of methods". > Or just... "science" ;) I suspect "thick data" is an unfortunate consequence of an industry jargon arms race: researchers get listened to (not to mention hired) in our field if they characterize what they do as "big data", because that term is hot right now--even though it's really no more accurate or useful, as a term, than "Web 2.0" was when that was A Big Thing. So some qual researchers feel having a catchy term of their own will make folks more likely to listen to them. I feel fortunate that at our organization, at least, I never feel like I need to use buzzwords in order to get PMs to take me seriously. \o/ J > > -Aaron > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Jonathan Morgan <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing this, Asaf and Raul. The design research team is >> (obviously) onboard with this approach. >> >> Related: here's a post on doing ethnographic work in a Wikipedia context, >> written for Medium by veteran Wikiresearcher Heather Ford: >> https://medium.com/ethnography-matters/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-participant-observer-in-a-place-like-wikipedia-89d6727276ba#.8yo56x7gk >> >> Jonathan "I dearly miss my Nokia 925" Morgan >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Toby Negrin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Asaf -- >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this. It's a good article and there's a lot to agree >>> with. Certainly there's a clear need for both qualitative and quantitive >>> research and figuring out how to combine them is a worthwhile challenge. A >>> lot of modern productive development practices stress empathy, meeting >>> users where they are along with big data and we're certainly aspiring to >>> this level of work in the Reading team. >>> >>> Where I think the Foundation and the Movement struggle is on the >>> evaluation side and I don't think the article addresses this issue >>> particularly well. Measuring the impact of non-profit work has always been >>> challenging and will continue to be so. It's certainly true that the >>> emphasis on big data has been less helpful here. >>> >>> Finally, since I can't resist, Nokia failed because they didn't do >>> ethnographic research on their existing users in Europe and North America, >>> not potential users across the planet and missed the fact that people would >>> be thrilled to trade in their candy-bar phones for fancy iphones and >>> androids! >>> >>> -Toby >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Marcel Ruiz Forns <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Awesome reading, I liked it a lot. >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Estonian Wikipedian Raul Veede, User:Oop, asked to relay this link to >>>>> "the metrics people", so I am sending it here and to the Community >>>>> Engagement team at the Wikimedia Foundation. >>>>> >>>>> <http://goog_433392935> >>>>> >>>>> https://medium.com/ethnography-matters/why-big-data-needs-thick-data-b4b3e75e3d7#.xxhn4bpvc >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> A. >>>>> -- >>>>> Asaf Bartov >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> >>>>> >>>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>>>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Analytics mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Marcel Ruiz Forns* >>>> Analytics Developer >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Analytics mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jonathan T. Morgan >> Senior Design Researcher >> Wikimedia Foundation >> User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > -- Jonathan T. Morgan Senior Design Researcher Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)>
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