Shane: iPhone is ATT-only device, in case you forgot. However, seems to me you forgot a much more important event - the 800 Mhz auction that Google so charitably bid through the roof to make sure it is all sold as one network...and that is decreed open network.
This is why we were toiling here - we are part of this big game. YA On Apr 21, 6:50 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep, it's carrier devices that are the concern. I'm only talking about the > US; and if Europe is completely open, I suppose you guys are going to have > smooth sailing with Android. But in the US, a carrier can have the > manufacturer rip out or change all sorts of features from the base model. > The problem from a mobile developer's perspective is that the majority of > their market is using a locked device. $800 retail for an android device or > $300 from the carrier means a lot more locked devices and a lot smaller > market. > > And if you start to have a great deal of success with a service, the carrier > may decide to shut the service down, or threaten to do so, by blocking it at > the network level, forcing you to the table (rumors are that this happened > to Google a few years back). > > Everyone in the industry is waiting for the shoe to fall; they have been for > a long time. Once one carrier in the US bolts from the pack and opens up, > the other carriers are going to have to follow. Apple has already done a lot > to change the industry and wrestle the tight grip control from carriers.Who > knows? Android may deal the final blow. But it is not bad to hedge the bets > and work on how things are at the moment. And that means, dealing with the > carriers. > > Shane > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM, YA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Shane: > > > if you have a CARRIER device - yes. They can lock the system. If > > however you have an open device - carriers will be able to do nothing. > > Trust me. I used unlocked devices on locked carriers and never ever > > had any problem, nor there is a way to hack the phone system by > > inserting a different SIM card. > > > YA > > > On Apr 19, 7:37 pm, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lol. Carriers own the network. They can do what they want with devices > > they > > > subsidize. Davlik is going to have all sorts of security built on top of > > it. > > > To access certain features, will require the carrier signing the app. > > And in > > > certain cases, the carriers would not be wrong in doing so for security > > > reasons. > > > > Shane > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:41 AM, YA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you use an Android handset, there is no way for a carrier to lock > > > > out any third apps except by tweaking the Android core or Dalvik to > > > > make is carrier-compatible only. A generic Android handset, however, > > > > will run over any network and will run any apps its owner pleases. > > > > > YA > > > > > On Apr 19, 2:38 pm, Hielko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Quote: If we (by we I mean all of us) don't have a large, organized > > > > > community with > > > > > content to deliver, what do you think the chances are a carrier is > > > > > going to > > > > > allow any non-approved application the "rights" to install other > > > > > applications? If not zero, then its close to zero. > > > > > > Members of the OHA have signed an agreement that they will not limit > > > > > the functionality of the android platform/the freedom of the users, > > to > > > > > install what they want. Members of the OHA include some large > > > > > carriers, so I'm not afraid of the scenario that you are painting. > > > > > Android is not like other platforms! > > > > > > On Apr 19, 11:41 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm just trying to clarify SlideME since the feedback we got was > > > > completely > > > > > > not the message we are intending to put out there. I'm not saying > > > > anything > > > > > > about number of submissions. I'm trying to clarify that we are not > > a > > > > catalog > > > > > > or database. > > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Peli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Shane, > > > > > > > > You just announced your site a week or two ago. It takes time > > for > > > > > > > people to discover your site. Put a clickable link to SlideME > > into > > > > > > > every post you write in this forum and you'll get the traffic > > :-) > > > > > > > > Peli > > > > > > > CLICK HERE -->>>www.openintents.org<<<-- CLICK HERE!!! ;-) ;-) > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 10:03 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For some reason, I don't think we at SlideME have done a good > > job > > > > > > > > communicating what we are about. After reviewing a lot of > > feedback > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > gotten, it seems that many developers think SlideME is about > > > > searching > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > browsing for applications. We are not a database. We are not a > > > > baby > > > > > > > > HelloAndroid. We are about stocking and delivery of > > applications > > > > to > > > > > > > > emulators and soon-to-be devices. We deal with the whole work > > flow > > > > of > > > > > > > > getting the application from the developer to the end user, > > for > > > > mobile. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > are building the server and Android client side components to > > make > > > > this > > > > > > > > happen by the time devices launch at the end of this year. > > > > > > > > > Shane- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
