Hi YA, That's a good point, but is the 800 Mhz spectrum that Verizon acquired going to be used for Android? As for the iPhone, it may have been AT&T only, but it did rock a number of content aggregators to the core. They lost a lot of business and power. Major companies went down.
Personally, I think Android is going to succeed, but I think it's going to take a big fight. It's not a done deal. Shane On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:20 PM, YA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shane: > > iPhone is ATT-only device, in case you forgot. However, seems to me > you forgot a much more important event - the 800 Mhz auction that > Google so charitably bid through the roof to make sure it is all sold > as one network...and that is decreed open network. > > This is why we were toiling here - we are part of this big game. > > YA > > On Apr 21, 6:50 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep, it's carrier devices that are the concern. I'm only talking about > the > > US; and if Europe is completely open, I suppose you guys are going to > have > > smooth sailing with Android. But in the US, a carrier can have the > > manufacturer rip out or change all sorts of features from the base > model. > > The problem from a mobile developer's perspective is that the majority > of > > their market is using a locked device. $800 retail for an android device > or > > $300 from the carrier means a lot more locked devices and a lot smaller > > market. > > > > And if you start to have a great deal of success with a service, the > carrier > > may decide to shut the service down, or threaten to do so, by blocking > it at > > the network level, forcing you to the table (rumors are that this > happened > > to Google a few years back). > > > > Everyone in the industry is waiting for the shoe to fall; they have been > for > > a long time. Once one carrier in the US bolts from the pack and opens > up, > > the other carriers are going to have to follow. Apple has already done a > lot > > to change the industry and wrestle the tight grip control from > carriers.Who > > knows? Android may deal the final blow. But it is not bad to hedge the > bets > > and work on how things are at the moment. And that means, dealing with > the > > carriers. > > > > Shane > > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM, YA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Shane: > > > > > if you have a CARRIER device - yes. They can lock the system. If > > > however you have an open device - carriers will be able to do nothing. > > > Trust me. I used unlocked devices on locked carriers and never ever > > > had any problem, nor there is a way to hack the phone system by > > > inserting a different SIM card. > > > > > YA > > > > > On Apr 19, 7:37 pm, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Lol. Carriers own the network. They can do what they want with > devices > > > they > > > > subsidize. Davlik is going to have all sorts of security built on > top of > > > it. > > > > To access certain features, will require the carrier signing the > app. > > > And in > > > > certain cases, the carriers would not be wrong in doing so for > security > > > > reasons. > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:41 AM, YA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > If you use an Android handset, there is no way for a carrier to > lock > > > > > out any third apps except by tweaking the Android core or Dalvik > to > > > > > make is carrier-compatible only. A generic Android handset, > however, > > > > > will run over any network and will run any apps its owner pleases. > > > > > > > YA > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2:38 pm, Hielko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Quote: If we (by we I mean all of us) don't have a large, > organized > > > > > > community with > > > > > > content to deliver, what do you think the chances are a carrier > is > > > > > > going to > > > > > > allow any non-approved application the "rights" to install other > > > > > > applications? If not zero, then its close to zero. > > > > > > > > Members of the OHA have signed an agreement that they will not > limit > > > > > > the functionality of the android platform/the freedom of the > users, > > > to > > > > > > install what they want. Members of the OHA include some large > > > > > > carriers, so I'm not afraid of the scenario that you are > painting. > > > > > > Android is not like other platforms! > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 11:41 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm just trying to clarify SlideME since the feedback we got > was > > > > > completely > > > > > > > not the message we are intending to put out there. I'm not > saying > > > > > anything > > > > > > > about number of submissions. I'm trying to clarify that we are > not > > > a > > > > > catalog > > > > > > > or database. > > > > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Peli <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Shane, > > > > > > > > > > You just announced your site a week or two ago. It takes > time > > > for > > > > > > > > people to discover your site. Put a clickable link to > SlideME > > > into > > > > > > > > every post you write in this forum and you'll get the > traffic > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Peli > > > > > > > > CLICK HERE -->>>www.openintents.org<<<-- CLICK HERE!!! ;-) > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 19, 10:03 am, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > For some reason, I don't think we at SlideME have done a > good > > > job > > > > > > > > > communicating what we are about. After reviewing a lot of > > > feedback > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > gotten, it seems that many developers think SlideME is > about > > > > > searching > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > browsing for applications. We are not a database. We are > not a > > > > > baby > > > > > > > > > HelloAndroid. We are about stocking and delivery of > > > applications > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > emulators and soon-to-be devices. We deal with the whole > work > > > flow > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > getting the application from the developer to the end > user, > > > for > > > > > mobile. > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > are building the server and Android client side components > to > > > make > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > happen by the time devices launch at the end of this year. > > > > > > > > > > > Shane- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
