[Note : I'm going to answer this on this list because this isn't a technical development issue. I've posted to -developers saying this post is here.]
First off; I'm not going to apologise for pointing out the similarities between your business model and that of well recognized scams. As yourself this question; If you only accept people who you have confidence in their skills, why do you need to charge them (pre or post audition)? The only answer I can see is that your accepting people who you don't think will earn enough to pay your overheads related to them and you're in the business of scamming them for a sign up fee knowing that they may never generate any cash. There are many clubs, groups, and organisations that work extremely well without charging 200 dollars just to be a part of it, and there is also the legal and financial issues associated with being the owner of an LLC, are you warning your potential talent of those? There are plenty of websites offering forums where developers can gather to discuss projects, collaborate, and, if necessary form their company focused on their projects paying them directly from their skills (look at the forums section of androidcommunity.com and anddev.org to see what I mean), and there are numerous sites dedicated to distributing the latest information about android and various projects (androidguys.com for example), so why would people pay you money, take the risks of being a part-owner of an LLC, just to take a chance about possibly being involved in projects that can be organised via these freely operated websites already? Now you may be misguided, you may honestly think you're doing the right think, but trust me, after a couple of decades involved in the software development industry, I can tell you you need to take a good hard look at what you're doing. Al. http://andappstore.com/ AdroitAndroid wrote: > Since Google groups won't let me edit my original post, nor let me > post this reply to your comments with my AdroitAndroid email address, > please be aware that I am the original poster. > > I find the lack of trust sad and offensive... but understandable. > > The application fee was meant to provide the LLC with startup cash, > not to scam anyone. To address this concern, we have amended the > program so that THERE IS NO APPLICATION FEE, but anyone accepted as a > member must buy in, for which they will have documented proof of > ownership and a signed operating agreement. The buy-in amount will be > determined when the number of founders is known and will be based on > the projected costs of running the start-up for six months. > > Note that AdroitAndroid is not an agency. You won't just be talent > farmed out for corporate profit. You will be AN OWNER who SHARES in > the profit. > > The founders of this organization are experienced technologists, > entrepreneurs, and management consultants who have strong professional > credentials and who can provide professional references for anyone who > has doubts about credibility. We are doing this to HELP the > community, not hurt it. > > Please email me at my adroitandroid email address if you are > interested. > > > On Oct 17, 2:04 pm, "Michael Martin - MM Agency" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I ABSOLUTELY 2nd what Al is saying. >> >> Like with agencies in general - if you have true potential they will NEVER >> charge you upfront. >> >> Michael Martinhttp://www.googleandblog.com/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Al Sutton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:43 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Android developers UNITE! >> >> For anyone tempted by this please be aware that taking money up front >> with a promise of work and potential royalties is a scam that has been >> operating in the world of fashion models for a while. >> >> I know there are many on this list who wouldn't entertain this concept, >> but there may be the few who are, and for those I would recommend you >> readhttp://www.modelingscams.org/upfrontfees.htmlbefore getting involved. >> >> Al.http://andappstore.com/ >> >> AdroitAndroid wrote: >> >>> Ladies and gentlemen, >>> >>> I know many of you are working on your applications for your company >>> or for a client. However, there are also many maverick developers out >>> there writing code on their own. I am writing this message to invite >>> those individuals who have an app and a dream to join our virtual team >>> at AdroitAndroid. >>> >>> Benefits: >>> - AdroitAndroid will function as a community of developers that will >>> create an application development framework to which you will have >>> access. >>> - It will serve as your personal network of experts and peer >>> developers who will be virtual resources to help you develop your >>> dream application. >>> - Most importantly (and how this differs from an open source group), >>> AdroitAndroid will ensure that you get PAID. Because you will become >>> a member (read: OWNER) of the LLC, you will get distributions from the >>> profits on ALL of the applications that AdroitAndroid publishes. This >>> means you don't have to put something out on the market and just hope >>> that people buy it. AdroitAndroid will have a promotional budget to >>> advertise and promote your applications and then send you a check for >>> a portion of the profits generated on ALL AdroitAndroid applications. >>> >>> Restrictions and responsibilities: >>> - You must apply for membership in the AdroitAndroid LLC. >>> - There is a $200 non-refundable application fee. >>> - All members must dedicate a (yet to be determined) set number of >>> hours to work on AdroitAndroid projects and/or management. >>> - All members will be subject to the operating agreement. >>> >>> Memberships applications will be evaluated based on criteria >>> including, but not limited to: >>> -- Work experience >>> -- Software development/management skill >>> -- Availability to work on projects >>> -- References >>> -- Creativity >>> -- Telephone interview >>> -- AdroitAndroid needs >>> >>> For additional details and an application, please email me. Also, if >>> you are interested in a leadership position with AdroitAndroid, please >>> indicate your interest and relevant experience in leading a technology >>> organization. Thanks! >>> >>> It's time to put the power of our community to work for it's members! >>> >> -- >> Al Sutton >> >> W:www.alsutton.com >> B: alsutton.wordpress.com >> T: twitter.com/alsutton >> > > > -- Al Sutton W: www.alsutton.com B: alsutton.wordpress.com T: twitter.com/alsutton --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
