Amen :=)
On Apr 23, 4:34 pm, Stoyan Damov <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Streets Of Boston
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Everyone-- *everyone*--- *FREAKING EVERYONE* knows
> > that truly talented developers prefer c[++] wayyy over java; newbie
> > developers love java because that's what retarded schools teach CS
> > majors-- a crap language for people who can't figure out the
> > "difficult" tasks of memory management and avoiding buffer overflows.
> > Nobody wants to port c to java, because it's a *downgrade*. "
>
> <snipped Streets Of Boston's post>
>
> I'll jump in here, because I have 10+ years *extensive* experience
> with C and C++, and a bit less with Java.
>
> First of all, talent is definitely not tight to language.
> I have seen SO BAD C++ devs, they don't deserve to code in ANY language.
> Ditto for Java devs.
>
> 2nd, Java today is not what it used to be, say, 5 years ago.
> Especially in terms of performance, which is key to this post.
> For example, my day job is working on a real-time financial data
> distribution middleware, with (among other languages) a C++ and a Java
> API.
> The performance (read messages/second) of the C++ networking code,
> developed with boost::asio (or simply the best cross-platform async
> I/O networking library for C++) is so close to the one done with
> Java's NIO (which is simply a very thin wrapper on top of async I/O
> library developed in C) that you can't really tell which one is
> faster.
> These days, most of the performance-critical code in Java is wrapped C
> libraries. JIT does miracles as well.
> Probably the only thing performance-wise where Java sucks is the
> inevitable latency due to GC. That's about it.
>
> 3rd, ooooooooops, Android doesn't run java. The SDK compiles Java, but:
> 1) does not produce Java byte code, and does not execute Java byte code
> 2) the code is not optimized at all, or at least that's my impression
> because it does matter if I call simple getters, or access fields,
> etc., etc.
> 3) There's no JIT.
> 4) Dalvik VM's GC sucks.
>
> So, for games, and games ONLY I'd prefer to code in C++.
> For *everything* else I'd use the Java SDK. I'm not a masochist.
>
> Cheers
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