Lance, My main objection is that it looks like they will not pay us for nearly three months worth of advertising that we've already served (we rolled month 1 into month 2 and we're now 23 days into month three).
I'd love to see how they would react to advertisers running campaigns for nearly 3 months then turning round and saying "Sorry Google, we think you put us at risk, so we're not paying you". Do no evil my arse. Al. -- * Looking for Android Apps? - Try http://andappstore.com/ * ====== Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. On 23 Nov 2009, at 12:38, Lance Nanek wrote: > I agree. It is terrible treatment from the customer's point of view. > There may be reasons it is done this way, however. > > If Google let customers know exactly why they were kicked out of > AdSense then the ones that actually were trying to defraud the system > will get better information on how to try again. > > There's a similar bizarre situation happening in the anti-spam world > lately. If you reject a submission immediately due to something like a > link to a blacklisted domain, then the spam bots just keep reposting > with different domains until they succeed. But if you pretend to > accept the submission then they often move on to the next spam > target. > > You can see the extreme of this situation on the social news site > Reddit where legitimate users sometimes end up with "ghost accounts". > Their submissions only show up to themselves and no one else. This is > supposed to make it more difficult for spammers to tell their spam is > being detected. It sure is a terrible way to treat a legitimate user, > though. > > If there were a very large number of AdSense accounts being kicked out > constantly then it may not even be cost effective for Google to have a > human review the account before it is kicked out. Only reviewing > accounts that request an appeal afterwards would cost less in terms of > manpower after all. I suppose there would be a long term cost in > legitimate customers driven away by the harsh treatment, however. > > On Nov 23, 5:42 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >> A warning that it was going to be reviewed would have been good. An >> indication of what the algorithm objected to would have been better, but to >> stopping all service and not pay for the adverts already served is just a >> sh*t way to treat people. >> >> Al. >> -- >> >> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* >> >> ====== >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company >> number 6741909. >> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's >> subsidiaries. >> >> On 23 Nov 2009, at 10:31, Lance Nanek wrote: >> >>> There were a lot of news stories a while back about a site getting >>> kicked off AdSense when it was featured on the large social news sites >>> like Slashdot that generate a lot of traffic. If I recall correctly >>> the general opinion was that Google just uses automated algorithms to >>> detect fraud and those algorithms are easily confused by any sudden >>> traffic change. >> >>> On Nov 23, 5:06 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The closest thing to a reason we had was the first paragraph of the email >>>> which read; >> >>>> "While going through our records recently, we found that your AdSense >>>> account has posed a significant risk to our AdWords advertisers. Since >>>> keeping your account in our publisher network may financially damage our >>>> advertisers in the future, we have decided to disable your account." >> >>>> Which has no details of what they think we are doing that creates a risk >>>> or anything they would like us to stop it. We've lodged an appeal, but god >>>> knows how long that will take. >> >>>> The most annoying part is that the payout was due at the end of the month >>>> and it's distinctly suspicious to us that after seeing a recently >>>> significant increase in usage and thus a significant increase in income >>>> via AdSense they've just terminated the account without paying us for the >>>> advertising services we provided for the past few months. >> >>>> So now we have to start moving everything off anything that is related to >>>> Google in any way because no matter how reliable the technology is if >>>> their business practices can leave us without service at any point without >>>> any prior warning then it's useless to us. >> >>>> Al. >> >>>> -- >> >>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* >> >>>> ====== >>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company >>>> number 6741909. >> >>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not >>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's >>>> subsidiaries. >> >>>> On 23 Nov 2009, at 09:55, Abdul Mateen wrote: >> >>>>> What this mean, Google doing such things without any proper reason! >> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Just as we (AndAppStore) were due a decent payout from Googles Adsense >>>>> they've gone and shut down our account with nothing more than a "poses a >>>>> significant risk" (whatever that means), and it looks like they're not >>>>> going to pay up the last couple of months ad revenue >> >>>>> So, does anyone have any suggestions for a decent advertising provider >>>>> which covers Android? >> >>>>> And no, I don't want to rely on AdMob because they've been bought by >>>>> Google and so they'll probably start doing the same sh** at some point. >> >>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>> Al. >>>>> -- >> >>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* >> >>>>> ====== >>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company >>>>> number 6741909. >> >>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not >>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's >>>>> subsidiaries. >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Android Discuss" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Android Discuss" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group >>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Android Discuss" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Android Discuss" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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