Getting farther OT but adp1/2 and nexus are all pretty open - not just for phones, but for -any- consumer device. (For that matter, so is the nokia n900.) Stripping revision history is common on releases, since they'll have comments like "fix errata #104 from secret proprietary document foo: cell radio converts lead to gold if particular signaling is used"
(Personally I think if you're allowing comments like that in to begin with you're doing it wrong. Ditto for hiding documents like that given that its an 'open' system and someone else using it will need that same info.. Restrictive NDAs usually allow comments like "Avoid errata 4 from QC doc 2", maybe including the doc name - thats better than nothing. And esp on android - supposedly more open - its insane to have to work that hard on revision history every time..) Rather than attacking web apps with gpl3, it would have been nice to see a gpl2 revision that included metadata such as revision history. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Kiall Mac Innes <[email protected]> wrote: > I will never buy a htc phone again. >> > > Umm - hold on! There still more open than *any* other phone company out > there! > > Thanks, > Kiall > > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:53 PM, debuti <[email protected]> wrote: > >> :)Well... I will never buy a htc phone again. >> >> Thanks for your explanations! >> >> On 12 abr, 19:43, Kiall Mac Innes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Oh and - the kernel source is available @http://developer.htc.com/ >> > >> > But - It feels like they almost went out of their way (HTC that is) to >> make >> > it harder to use... >> > >> > Its a branch of 2.6.27 if i remember correctly, with lots of 2.6.29 >> patches >> > pulled into it, merged with a load of HTC's own changes - all thats fine >> ... >> > BUT - its had *all the revision history stripped*.. So trying to port >> the >> > hero specifics from it into the AOSP kernel is nearly impossible... and >> .29 >> > is needed for android 2.0+ >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Kiall >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Kiall Mac Innes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > You can't build a "from scratch" ROM for the Android Dev Phone 1, >> Android >> > > Dev Phone 2 or the Nexus 1 either. Lots of the chips in your phone are >> made >> > > by companies who refuse to open source a thing - with no (viable) >> > > alternatives available... >> > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Kiall >> > >> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM, debuti <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> why they dont release a hero kernel + anything needed to build the >> > >> system from scratch? >> > >> > >> f***! >> > >> > >> On 12 abr, 17:40, Kiall Mac Innes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > You might be interested inhttp:// >> > >> github.com/kiall/android_vendor_communityandjnwhiteh and >> > >> > lokX's branches - between the 3 of us, we have 2.1 building >> > >> > for a hero and my branch also has a mostly working Dream 2.1... >> > >> > >> > But you need lots of proprietary binaries - list of them/script to >> > >> extract >> > >> > them @ >> > >> >> http://github.com/kiall/android_vendor_community/blob/eclair/hero/unz... >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Kiall >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:32 PM, David Turner <[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:43 AM, debuti <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> And that blobs, can't be extracted from existing ROMs? >> > >> > >> > >> Probably, but frankly I have no idea what the Hero uses and how >> to >> > >> > > integrate the corresponding binaries into an AOSP tree. >> > >> > > You were asking why it's so difficult, I just provide an answer >> :-) >> > >> > >> > >> On 7 abr, 18:28, David Turner <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Because you don't have all the drivers. Some hardware is >> supported >> > >> > >> through >> > >> > >> > proprietary binary blobs that run in user space. For example >> the >> > >> OpenGL >> > >> > >> ES >> > >> > >> > hardware support library. >> > >> > >> > >> > That's why, even you need to extract them from a device or >> from the >> > >> > >> recovery >> > >> > >> > images at developer.htc.com when you want to make an AOSP >> build >> > >> that >> > >> > >> runs on >> > >> > >> > an ADP1. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:52 AM, debuti <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > > There are two types of ROMs to the Hero, the ones with sense >> > >> (coming >> > >> > >> > > from HTC or customized by users, but with sense anyway) and >> > >> laggy, and >> > >> > >> > > the ones compiled from sources with missed capabilities >> > >> (Bluetooth, >> > >> > >> > > glitches, etc). >> > >> > >> > >> > > My question is, since we've got the sources for Hero kernel >> > >> (http:// >> > >> > >> > > developer.htc.com/), and the AOSP project, why noone did >> compile >> > >> a >> > >> > >> > > fully-working-without-sense-then-faster-1.5-AOSP Rom for Htc >> > >> Hero? 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