I can remember walking around MWC in barcelona this year and quietly smiling when I saw a Chinese device using AndAppStore as it's market, so yes they're out there and using alternatives.
The thing is to OEMs & carriers the Google experience is a selling point to users purely through consumer association (oh, I use Google search at home and it's good, this 'phone is Google branded and so must have some good parts). Hence why many of the tier 1 western OEMS & carriers have gone through the process of getting it. It's all about the target market. To Chinese consumers branding isn't king, whereas as shown by Apple, a company can sell a lot of devices just because has a good brand name. Al. -- * Looking for Android Apps? - Try http://andappstore.com/ * ====== Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. On 23 Jun 2010, at 18:19, Tomáš Hubálek wrote: > Al, I'm not sure about OEMs. > > Cheap android "phones" and "tablets" started to be available on > dealextreme.com so I expected that Chinese learned how to build Android > phones. I have no illusion that these OEMs will be interested on Google's > opinion. > > I was contacted with Chinese Android app distributors. I'm sure that > Google-less market in China may be even bigger that US. > > Tom > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > I doubt we'll see Google hand it over any time soon, especially as it's a > prime motivator to get OEMs to sign up to the Google way of doing things. > > Al. > -- > > * Looking for Android Apps? - Try http://andappstore.com/ * > > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > number 6741909. > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily > those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. > > On 23 Jun 2010, at 15:38, JP wrote: > > > > > Anybody dispute we're going around in circles for months now? > > Let me float the idea that the next logical step would be to see if > > Google was interested in entertaining the idea of breaking out Market > > and handing it over, possibly in part only, to a third party. Of > > course they have the power to keep Market in a limbo. But how long can > > they afford to do that. Perhaps it's time to talk about putting an > > unsolicited proposal together to take over Market by a focused team > > that drives Market forward. > > > > > > On Jun 22, 11:02 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cool. Don't expect figures anywhere near Market (ahh, if only we could get > >> multi-million unit OEM deals), but most developers find there's enough > >> interest to keep their listing up to date. > >> > >> Oh, and if you want to discuss AndAppStores' features or ideas please feel > >> free to use the Google group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/andappstore-discussion > >> > >> Al. > >> -- > >> > >> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >> ====== > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > >> number 6741909. > >> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >> subsidiaries. > >> > >> On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:57, Tomáš Hubálek wrote: > >> > >>> Al, > >> > >>> thanks for info about AndAppStore. I will try to add my application there > >>> (free version, if it is possible) and check number of downloads and > >>> compare it with Android Market downloads. > >> > >>> Maybe I'll change my opinion about alternative markets and I will publish > >>> success story on my blog ;-) > >> > >>> Have a good day > >>> Tom > >> > >>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> I'm glad to have helped you understand things. It's useful to remember > >>> that working hard towards something doesn't always give the results many > >>> want (BP, oil spill, you get the picture). > >> > >>> I'd disagree with you over the alternative markets, especially as some > >>> developers make a hundreds of dollars per month from sales via > >>> AndAppStore (and one broke the two thousand dollar mark last month), but > >>> hey, if that's how you feel, no one is forcing you to use them. > >> > >>> All the best, > >> > >>> Al. > >>> -- > >> > >>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>> ====== > >>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > >>> number 6741909. > >> > >>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >>> subsidiaries. > >> > >>> On 22 Jun 2010, at 18:06, Tomáš Hubálek wrote: > >> > >>>> Al, > >> > >>>> you are right again. > >> > >>>> I can blame just my stupidity, that I thought that on Market is possible > >>>> sell and buy and also that I believed that We're working hard to add > >>>> more countries, so please stay tuned! is true. Often negative experience > >>>> is more valuable than positive one and I thank for it. > >> > >>>> With all respect to alternative markets I don't think they are real > >>>> alternative if there is not powerful enough subject in behind (I'm > >>>> really curious how Vodafone 360 Shop will work, but I don't see any > >>>> other *real* alternative). > >> > >>>> Have a good day > >>>> Tom > >> > >>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Tom, > >> > >>>> I think the key thing to remember here is there are alternatives and > >>>> developers are free not to pay their 25USD and use another platform or > >>>> app store. > >> > >>>> It's true that other platforms may have other limitations, and other > >>>> Android app stores don't have the same reach, but at the end of the day > >>>> you can only choose from what's on offer, and if you don't like that you > >>>> can either actually do something about it by providing an alternative or > >>>> you have to accept that the platform is what it is. > >> > >>>> As far as I remember Google have never said the 25 USD fee is anything > >>>> more than a fee to list apps on Market, so it's not like they've mislead > >>>> you, so if you don't think it's value for money then don't pay and don't > >>>> use the service. > >> > >>>> Al. > >>>> -- > >> > >>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>>> ====== > >>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > >>>> number 6741909. > >> > >>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >>>> subsidiaries. > >> > >>>> On 22 Jun 2010, at 14:37, Tomáš Hubálek wrote: > >> > >>>>> Al, > >> > >>>>> you are right. I think that companies that invested millions have > >>>>> (hopefully) better information from Google than we poor people have. > >> > >>>>> But it is necessary to keep in mind that applications created by non > >>>>> professional developers has much more than millions downloads from the > >>>>> market. > >> > >>>>> I believe that we are also contributing to Android success or fail (and > >>>>> Google has the immodesty to ask 25 USD for permission to provide people > >>>>> free only apps) and I think we should get at least some info. > >> > >>>>> Tom > >> > >>>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >> > >>>>> 2010/6/22 Tomáš Hubálek <[email protected]> > >> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Anil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>>>> that they control it, are not quite sure how to profit from it. It is > >> > >>>>> Not clearly stated business model in the ecosystem makes this ecosystem > >>>>> untrustworthy and risky for investment. > >> > >>>>> Try telling that to the numerous OEMs who have invested millions (if > >>>>> not 10s of millions) in Android devices, and the carriers who invest > >>>>> hundreds of thousands (if not millions) in promoting those devices. > >> > >>>>> I very much doubt the kind of investment you're considering comes > >>>>> anywhere near that level, so your choices are pretty much "put up with > >>>>> it" or "go elsewhere" because although the Googlers do listen to the > >>>>> rest of us we are a very small voice in the crowd when you factor in > >>>>> the guys who have to make, sell, and support the actual devices. > >> > >>>>> Al. > >>>>> -- > >> > >>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > >> > >>>>> ====== > >>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > >>>>> number 6741909. > >>>>> The views 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