Al, I own a Samsung C5500 which is the same player you linked to but
without wifi built-in. The manual *clearly* states it will not play PAL
discs. I have players that do. If you can just take Google TV and use
it with a TV in another country with a different broadcast standard that
would be great but I have my doubts. CE manufacturers rarely do this
because of grey market sales. All I was doing was pointing out the
differences in broadcast standards which means there are differences in
the sets sold even by the same manufacturer. I'm not at all wrong about
that and have been following that as well as working with it for more
years than I care to mention. I was merely raising the difference in
video standards as a reason why they *may* not have been introduced in
Europe. HDMI doesn't convert video standards, it just allows you to plug
the player into any set that has it. Whether it works fully is another
story.
- Brian
Al Sutton wrote:
After working on set top boxes in the mid 90s and keeping my hand in with these
things lets just say I'm a bit in touch, and I could do a long post on why
you're wrong (for example showing you can buy *exactly* the same blu-ray player
in the UK and US - http://goo.gl/ZrsjI (US) http://goo.gl/0W2pc (UK),
explaining HDMIs use of the CEA-861 standard, etc. ), but I think a link will
put this to rest;
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Revue/Will-Logitech-Revue-with-Google-TV-work-outside-of-the-USA/td-p/499760
Al.
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On 6 Nov 2010, at 22:56, Brian Conrad wrote:
Point is that the output from a Google TV would have to conform your UK TV
standards which are different from the US. Bluray players have to be able to
conform to the standards of the TVs in the country where they are being used.
Likewise so would the Google TV box. HDMI is just a connector for digital
sound and video.
I take it you're not much into TV. ;-)
Al Sutton wrote:
The Logitech unit takes its' input over HDMI, so broadcast standards aren't
relevant to it as it doesn't do any broadcast decoding.
In a nutshell, there's nothing stopping a US unit being used by any developer
with a HDMI input TV. The US focus is more about content deals than any
technical reason.
Al.
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On 6 Nov 2010, at 19:36, Brian Conrad wrote:
I was commenting on the difference between TV standards that need to be
addressed before Goggle TV could available in countries other than the US. So
I was actually responding to a statement you made.
Al Sutton wrote:
Sorry, but how does that relate to GoogleTV unit discussion?
Al.
On 6 Nov 2010, at 18:43, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
HDMI is an interface standard whereas PAL is a European broadcast TV standard
and used in other countries such as India. The recently bygone NTSC was the US
broadcast TV standard and replaced with ATSC for HDTV. PAL has a 25 fps (or 50
fields per second interlaced) based on 50 cycle AC frequency and the US NTSC
and ATSC still 30 fps or 60 fields per second based on the 60 cycle AC
frequency. In Europe movies are actually sped up from 24 fps to 25 fps for
broadcast but in the US inverse telecine techniques were used for converting
24fps to 30 fps. Broadcast TV uses MPEG-2 transport streams.
I don't think computers and their monitors have ever depended on line cycles.
The Logitech units may be able to do the standard (probably by a factory
setting) but we still have DVD and Bluray players that can't play PAL discs
and vice-versa. And the Logitech unit only comes with HDMI. My 10 year old
Pioneer HDTV only has component because HDMI wasn't really available in a
standardized form until 2005. However I use an HDFury HDMI to component
converter with my Bluray player mainly to play DVDs upscaled as well as
streaming content from services like Netflix. Bluray disc can output over
component for the time being.
Al Sutton wrote:
HDMI is a universal standard and is supported by the Logitech unit.
Al.
On 6 Nov 2010, at 16:34, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
Do they even have a PAL version of Google TV yet? Of course one wonders why we
even care about line frequencies anymore and don't just have a global standard.
Much TV except live is filmed or video'd at 24 fps and even broadcast that
way. And I can't imagine using Google TV on a low resolution analog set. I
certainly would like to do some apps configured for HDTV (which would be
landscape only).
Al Sutton wrote:
All of the current Google TV devices are aimed at the US market so it wouldn't make
sense to offer them to international developers at the moment. The Droid seeding
showed they have methods in place, and, like with the Droid when that seeding took
place, non-US devs can't make the most of the device for technical reasons (for the
droid it was cellular standards, for GoogleTV it's the interaction with other units
& the programme data)
Once Google TV starts to spread we might see a wider seeding programme.
Al.
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On 5 Nov 2010, at 06:04, Seni Sangrujee wrote:
I got the same email. I hope this means that the SDK will be out
soon.
do they only give the freebies to US based dev's?
The free phone device seeding earlier this year was international
(Droids for US, Nexus for Intl). This TV giveaway seems US-only:
Google TV is coming to 10,000 lucky developer
http://googletv.blogspot.com/2010/10/google-tv-is-coming-to-10000-lucky.html
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