PAL and NTSC are analog encodings. It doesn't make any sense to claim they are sent over digital HDMI, which is not analog. I suppose someone might say it as shorthand for saying that the refresh rate, resolution, and interlacing of the digital signal match those used for that particular analog encoding (e.g. 576i for PAL and 480i for NTSC), but it isn't PAL or NTSC encoding that is being used.
On Nov 7, 12:20 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > Al, I own a Samsung C5500 which is the same player you linked to but > without wifi built-in. The manual *clearly* states it will not play PAL > discs. I have players that do. If you can just take Google TV and use > it with a TV in another country with a different broadcast standard that > would be great but I have my doubts. CE manufacturers rarely do this > because of grey market sales. All I was doing was pointing out the > differences in broadcast standards which means there are differences in > the sets sold even by the same manufacturer. I'm not at all wrong about > that and have been following that as well as working with it for more > years than I care to mention. I was merely raising the difference in > video standards as a reason why they *may* not have been introduced in > Europe. HDMI doesn't convert video standards, it just allows you to plug > the player into any set that has it. Whether it works fully is another > story. > > - Brian > > Al Sutton wrote: > > After working on set top boxes in the mid 90s and keeping my hand in with > > these things lets just say I'm a bit in touch, and I could do a long post > > on why you're wrong (for example showing you can buy *exactly* the same > > blu-ray player in the UK and US > > -http://goo.gl/ZrsjI(US)http://goo.gl/0W2pc(UK), explaining HDMIs use of > > the CEA-861 standard, etc. ), but I think a link will put this to rest; > > >http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Revue/Will-Logitech-Revue-with-Google-T... > > > Al. > > > -- > > > * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > > > ====== > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > > number 6741909. > > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > > subsidiaries. > > > On 6 Nov 2010, at 22:56, Brian Conrad wrote: > > >> Point is that the output from a Google TV would have to conform your UK TV > >> standards which are different from the US. Bluray players have to be > >> able to conform to the standards of the TVs in the country where they are > >> being used. Likewise so would the Google TV box. HDMI is just a > >> connector for digital sound and video. > > >> I take it you're not much into TV. ;-) > > >> Al Sutton wrote: > > >>> The Logitech unit takes its' input over HDMI, so broadcast standards > >>> aren't relevant to it as it doesn't do any broadcast decoding. > > >>> In a nutshell, there's nothing stopping a US unit being used by any > >>> developer with a HDMI input TV. The US focus is more about content deals > >>> than any technical reason. > > >>> Al. > >>> -- > > >>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > > >>> ====== > >>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company > >>> number 6741909. > >>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >>> subsidiaries. > > >>> On 6 Nov 2010, at 19:36, Brian Conrad wrote: > > >>>> I was commenting on the difference between TV standards that need to be > >>>> addressed before Goggle TV could available in countries other than the > >>>> US. So I was actually responding to a statement you made. > > >>>> Al Sutton wrote: > > >>>>> Sorry, but how does that relate to GoogleTV unit discussion? > > >>>>> Al. > > >>>>> On 6 Nov 2010, at 18:43, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> HDMI is an interface standard whereas PAL is a European broadcast TV > >>>>>> standard and used in other countries such as India. The recently > >>>>>> bygone NTSC was the US broadcast TV standard and replaced with ATSC > >>>>>> for HDTV. PAL has a 25 fps (or 50 fields per second interlaced) based > >>>>>> on 50 cycle AC frequency and the US NTSC and ATSC still 30 fps or 60 > >>>>>> fields per second based on the 60 cycle AC frequency. In Europe > >>>>>> movies are actually sped up from 24 fps to 25 fps for broadcast but in > >>>>>> the US inverse telecine techniques were used for converting 24fps to > >>>>>> 30 fps. Broadcast TV uses MPEG-2 transport streams. > > >>>>>> I don't think computers and their monitors have ever depended on line > >>>>>> cycles. The Logitech units may be able to do the standard (probably > >>>>>> by a factory setting) but we still have DVD and Bluray players that > >>>>>> can't play PAL discs and vice-versa. And the Logitech unit only comes > >>>>>> with HDMI. My 10 year old Pioneer HDTV only has component because > >>>>>> HDMI wasn't really available in a standardized form until 2005. > >>>>>> However I use an HDFury HDMI to component converter with my Bluray > >>>>>> player mainly to play DVDs upscaled as well as streaming content from > >>>>>> services like Netflix. Bluray disc can output over component for the > >>>>>> time being. > > >>>>>> Al Sutton wrote: > > >>>>>>> HDMI is a universal standard and is supported by the Logitech unit. > > >>>>>>> Al. > > >>>>>>> On 6 Nov 2010, at 16:34, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Do they even have a PAL version of Google TV yet? Of course one > >>>>>>>> wonders why we even care about line frequencies anymore and don't > >>>>>>>> just have a global standard. Much TV except live is filmed or > >>>>>>>> video'd at 24 fps and even broadcast that way. And I can't imagine > >>>>>>>> using Google TV on a low resolution analog set. I certainly would > >>>>>>>> like to do some apps configured for HDTV (which would be landscape > >>>>>>>> only). > > >>>>>>>> Al Sutton wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> All of the current Google TV devices are aimed at the US market so > >>>>>>>>> it wouldn't make sense to offer them to international developers at > >>>>>>>>> the moment. The Droid seeding showed they have methods in place, > >>>>>>>>> and, like with the Droid when that seeding took place, non-US devs > >>>>>>>>> can't make the most of the device for technical reasons (for the > >>>>>>>>> droid it was cellular standards, for GoogleTV it's the interaction > >>>>>>>>> with other units & the programme data) > > >>>>>>>>> Once Google TV starts to spread we might see a wider seeding > >>>>>>>>> programme. > > >>>>>>>>> Al. > >>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>> * Looking for Android Apps? - Tryhttp://andappstore.com/* > > >>>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>>>>>>>> company number 6741909. The views expressed in this email are > >>>>>>>>> those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android > >>>>>>>>> Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries. > > >>>>>>>>> On 5 Nov 2010, at 06:04, Seni Sangrujee wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> I got the same email. I hope this means that the SDK will be out > >>>>>>>>>> soon. > > >>>>>>>>>>> do they only give the freebies to US based dev's? > > >>>>>>>>>> The free phone device seeding earlier this year was international > >>>>>>>>>> (Droids for US, Nexus for Intl). This TV giveaway seems US-only: > > >>>>>>>>>> Google TV is coming to 10,000 lucky developer > >>>>>>>>>>http://googletv.blogspot.com/2010/10/google-tv-is-coming-to-10000-luc... > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>>>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. > >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>>>>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. > >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group > >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Android Discuss" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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