David Jencks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder what keeping the project at apache is costing apache.org > that they are considering removing it.
I think this is not really the case, Roy's option three (removing all subprojects that are out of scope) is not what the ASF wants, it's there as the default action to get things going. We've had some problems within some subprojects - and these kind of problems don't seem to exist in other parts of the ASF world where a one to one mapping between codebase and PMC exists. These problems could indicate that umbrella projects cannot work if they grow too big (in which case option 2 would be the solution - split into smaller parts) or have not been used correctly (in which case option 1 together with "let's make it better" would be the solution). One of the problems has been a (claimed) lack of transparency which has already been addressed by the Jakarta PMC in that discussion now happens on a public list. One of the other concerns was, that the role of the PMC and how strongly it may influence decisions for subprojects has not been clearly defined. Following the spirit of the ASF most decisions should be made by the community for a (sub)project. This is what Sam follows (thank you) by asking the Ant community to decide whether they want to remain part of the Jakarta project or not. Stefan
