El dt 30 de 07 de 2013 a les 17:49 +0200, en/na Lars Aronsson va
escriure:
> On 07/30/2013 01:20 PM, Francis Tyers wrote:
> > El dt 30 de 07 de 2013 a les 12:51 +0200, en/na Lars Aronsson va
> > escriure:
> >> Do started pairs grow after the initial setup?
> > In our experience not much. We've found that typically after the pairs
> > are released, they tend to stay static. There are of course some
> > exceptions, e.g. Breton-French.
> 
> I made a first attempt at trend statistics, just counting
> the occurrences of '<l>' (left item in a dictionary pair)
> in the lang-lang.dix translation files, over time through
> the SVN history, for some language pairs in /trunk/.
> This measurement is not accurate for how useful a
> dictionary is, but gives some indication of whether the
> size is the same or grows. The sudden initial growth
> followed by a flat line is very typical, as you say,
> http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/User:LA2#Diary

Nice graph, and yes, pretty much what I expected.

> Exceptions include br-fr, which grew steadily from
> late 2008 until the end of 2010 (red curve),
> and en-as from early 2010 until mid 2012.
> 
> Perhaps it is natural that the initial setup, which
> requires a rare combination of linguistic knowledge
> and coding skills is a sudden movement. But to make
> the continued growth open to a wider range of
> volunteer contributors, perhaps it needs to be made
> much easier. That might need a new toolset.

This is true. But what that toolset might consist of
is quite undefined. It's happened quite a few times
that someone tries to make an interface, but fails. 

I failed in this very same task. 

> The improvement of existing language pairs (such as
> those with less than 10,000 translation entries) could
> be as important as setting up new pairs. The mk-en
> pair was created in October 2010 with 10,000 entries,
> and stayed at that level until it suddenly grew to
> 32,000 entries in July 2012. Could we make that
> happen to af-nl, ca-it, es-gl, mk-bg, sv-da, and kaz-tat?

That would be a great idea. The work on expanding mk-en was done by
Filip Petkovski as part of last year's GSOC project.

The Kazakh-Tatar pair is being developed by Ilnar Salimzyanov who 
is planning to bring it to 95% coverage (at the moment it is
around 90%). The other pairs would require new contributors I think.

Fran


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