El dc 31 de 07 de 2013 a les 09:50 +0000, en/na Francis Tyers va
escriure:
> El dt 30 de 07 de 2013 a les 17:49 +0200, en/na Lars Aronsson va
> escriure:
> > On 07/30/2013 01:20 PM, Francis Tyers wrote:
> > > El dt 30 de 07 de 2013 a les 12:51 +0200, en/na Lars Aronsson va
> > > escriure:
> > >> Do started pairs grow after the initial setup?
> > > In our experience not much. We've found that typically after the pairs
> > > are released, they tend to stay static. There are of course some
> > > exceptions, e.g. Breton-French.
> >
> > I made a first attempt at trend statistics, just counting
> > the occurrences of '<l>' (left item in a dictionary pair)
> > in the lang-lang.dix translation files, over time through
> > the SVN history, for some language pairs in /trunk/.
> > This measurement is not accurate for how useful a
> > dictionary is, but gives some indication of whether the
> > size is the same or grows. The sudden initial growth
> > followed by a flat line is very typical, as you say,
> > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/User:LA2#Diary
>
> Nice graph, and yes, pretty much what I expected.
>
> > Exceptions include br-fr, which grew steadily from
> > late 2008 until the end of 2010 (red curve),
> > and en-as from early 2010 until mid 2012.
> >
> > Perhaps it is natural that the initial setup, which
> > requires a rare combination of linguistic knowledge
> > and coding skills is a sudden movement. But to make
> > the continued growth open to a wider range of
> > volunteer contributors, perhaps it needs to be made
> > much easier. That might need a new toolset.
>
> This is true. But what that toolset might consist of
> is quite undefined. It's happened quite a few times
> that someone tries to make an interface, but fails.
>
> I failed in this very same task.
Essentially, it requires someone who:
1) knows the system well -- e.g. they have made a language pair
from scratch and got it to release status.
2) has an itch to scratch -- e.g. making the interface will make
their language pair work quicker.
3) knows how non-expert users think and work.
When I tried, I had perhaps (2), but not (1) or (3). But by the time
I had released my first language pair, I was able to work much quicker
than any interface, just using shell scripts etc.
Anyway, I think it would be really cool if someone stepped forward
to get involved in this, but I won't hold my breath. :)
Fran
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