On 05/06/14 03:50, Skeeve Stevens wrote: > Hi Elvis, > > I've been pondering just this kind of policy proposal for the APNIC > region - which is why I started the thread to see what the communities > thoughts on DN was.
Well, I have seen Sandra's proposal in the RIPE Region and I was impressed on how well it was made. That is why I asked her if she would be willing to come up with the same proposal (or something similar) for the APNIC region. Just because she has already done most of the work, and it was work very well done :) If she does not respond or does not want/have the time to propose a policy change in APNIC, we should definitely start working on something to present at APNIC38. > I am still undecided on DN personally, but I do appreciate the > consistency of policy, or at least policy that is in line with other > regions requirements. I used to work as Hostmaster/IPRA at the RIPE NCC. I was the one applying the demonstrated need to each request received from members. While I agree that it used to be a very useful part of policy, since depletion of the free pool has hit most of the regions, I think that DN is no longer useful. It will be the company that needs them most or the company with most money that will get the resources, one way or another, regardless of the DN. In addition, DN is not a very fair concept. It relies on all the members (on one side) understanding every letter of the policy and all the RIR staff (on the other side) applying exactly the same procedures consistently. There will always exist differences of opinion between two people during the evaluation of the same request, no matter how consistent a registration department tries to be. Even the same person will look at a request with different eyes based on its mood at the time of the evaluation. > > I think the policy shouldn't 'remove' DN for all regions, but make it > compatible with the reasons... a dynamic policy as such.. > > Something like 'if the region the resource is being transferred from > required a DN, then the same DN requirements will exist in the APNIC > region for inter-RIR transfers from that region'. That is basically the same idea behind the RIPE policy proposal 2014-05 and the same idea behind the policy proposal which I wanted to make to the APNIC community. > > I'd also like to see the inter-RIR transfer rules tightened so that if > a region allows in-bound, but not out-bound, then the APNIC region > would not allow outbound to that region. Well, that would be difficult to put in words, but let's talk about it. I am in favor of removing all limitations and not adding further ones. > > There are also some considerations regarding different policies of > NIR's as well... this would need to be addressed in the policy. Here is where you may be very useful :-) I do not have extended knowledge of the NIRs policies regarding transfers. I have been talking to some representatives of NIRs when I was in Xi'An at APNIC36 but my current knowledge is limited. cheers, Elvis (a very young member of this community) -- Hi -- I am certainly in favor of elimination of needs on a global basis, as -- is anyone who is transacting -- buyers, sellers, and those who assist them. -- I would prefer to wait until RIPE Policy 2014-05 is implemented, -- before I become involved in any other proposal authorship. -- APNIC and ARIN already have inter-RIR transfers and that is what I -- have addressed in RIPE Region. I believe you are looking for needs elimination, -- which is a different kettle of fish than the policy I have written. Perhaps in the future -- there will be time for me to focus on needs elimination, but not at present. -- Thank you for your support of 2014-05 in RIPE region. -- -- Sandra Brown ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ apnic-talk mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk End of apnic-talk Digest, Vol 122, Issue 6 ****************************************** _______________________________________________ apnic-talk mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk
