Hi Karl, Totally agrees on your words. At least APNIC should not promote IPv4 auctions, leases and all other dirty stuff.
Why can’t we have a policy in APNIC to not to allow IPV4 auctions/leases and only allow transfers after proper scrutiny. But money can do anything and i am doubtful whether apnic will even agrees on our points. Thanks Gaurav Kansal > On 08-Jun-2022, at 08:50, [email protected] wrote: > > > The fact of the matter is, why are leases and auctions even a thing? > > If you don’t need the resource anymore, doing the right thing and handing it > back allows companies like myself to be able to continue operating and pushes > further the move to IPv6. > > We simply don’t have the funds to participate in auctions and frankly, we > shouldn’t have too. > > It is a failure of NIC’ registrars around the world that they’ve forgone the > push to IPv6 and instead made a pay-to-play, everyone for themselves > environment where only the wealthy and large carriers can play. > > The fact that companies like IPv4-Auctions, IPv4-Vault, IPTrading, etc even > exist underscore just how disgusting this system has become. > > APNIC and all the other registrars should be ashamed of themselves. > > > Kind Regards, > Karl Kloppenborg. > > From: Raquel Wellington <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 5:37 am > To: Mike Burns <[email protected]>, 'Vivek Nigam' <[email protected]>, > 'mailman_apnic-transfers' <[email protected]> > Subject: [apnic-transfers] Re: /16 Lease > > Thank you Mike and Vivek for the points made. > > Vivek – why is there such a concern with a lease conversation? Some members > are unable to perform a transfer due to lack of budgets, so lease might be > their only option… > > Is there a mailing list where we can post about lease? > > And does the transfer mailing list allow post about selling IPs, since that > is directly related to a transfer? > > From: Mike Burns <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:48 AM > To: 'Vivek Nigam' <[email protected]>, Raquel Wellington > <[email protected]>, 'mailman_apnic-transfers' > <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [apnic-transfers] Re: /16 Lease > > Hi Vivek, > > There is such a thing as a lease-to-own transfer, which ends up as a > transfer. And there are those who might be considering transfer versus lease, > and that definitely comports with the Charter for this list, which requires > “topics relevant to IPv4 transfers”. > > Everything you wrote below is true and factual but deftly elides the > meaningful point, which is that leasing is not prohibited at APNIC. > (Although leased-out addresses would not count towards justifying a new > purchase.) > > If I am wrong, please let us know by telling us what law, policy or contract > term with APNIC would be violated by an APNIC resource holder leasing blocks > to non-connected customers. And would that subject them to revocation risk? > > Thanks and regards, > > Mike Burns > IPTrading.com > > > From: Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2022 9:34 PM > To: Raquel Wellington <[email protected]>; mailman_apnic-transfers > <[email protected]> > Subject: [apnic-transfers] Re: /16 Lease > > Hi Raquel, > > APNIC policy does not have any provisions for leasing of IP addresses on > their own. There was a policy proposal for temporary transfer prop-119 but it > did not reach consensus and was withdrawn by the author. > > https://www.apnic.net/community/policy/proposals/prop-119 > > APNIC Members can delegate address space to their downstream customers, which > are operating networks. Such delegations are non-portable and must be > returned to the Member if the downstream customer ceases to receive > connectivity from the Member. > > We have a transfer policy which allows the transfer of unused IPv4 address > between APNIC Members as well as other RIR members. For more information, see > > https://www.apnic.net/transfer > > Please note the IPv4 transfers mailing list is only for the discussion of > transfers, not leasing. > > APNIC Transfers Charter: > The APNIC Transfer mailing list was created to provide a forum enabling the > sources and recipients of IPv4 address transfers, as well as IPv4 brokers, to > discuss topics relevant to IPv4 transfers. > > Hope this information helps. > > Regards, > Vivek > > From: Raquel Wellington <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, 4 June 2022 at 8:49 am > To: mailman_apnic-transfers <[email protected]> > Subject: [apnic-transfers] /16 Lease > > Hello all, > > We have a clean /16 available for lease…. > > Please let us know if you have any interest 😊 > > IPv4 Vault LLC > Raquel Wellington > Asset Recovery Specialist > +1 (424) 258-4758 > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > apnic-transfers - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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