Salut Benoît, That's not the way we act for the benefit of the french community. Do you realize that right now there is two sites where you can obtain the documentation, maintained by two groups of users? This is completely ridiculous and it's not your or their fault, even if it was created afterwards. If the two groups have worked together, where would we be? There is an issue and we must find a way to resolve it. Just stop thinking of what they have done to YOU btw, what is important now is how you can act to resolve the issue? This was bring to the archlinux ML because some people were tired of having two choices of web sites. Some guys were rude in the discussion about french guys and right now, you're giving a justification for that.
Please stop thinking like you have a choice right now, Leif will come with a suggestion coming from a discussion (not a war) that he think, should be followed by the two sides and that will resolve the war and the duplicates. Don't you think it will be better that way? No more personal attacks? No more IRC attack? I dunno what you think but I know that if ArchLinux website points to the ArchLinux.fr website, there is more chance that your site disappear one day. But I don't want to be like that with you, I don't care who win, except that right now, I know who is losting. Michel On 6/1/07, Benoit Chesneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I found a way. There will be 2 websites. In the world that's not because you say I want, that you have. There hadn't any possibility to have admin password. There isn't. These guys do more than only request a password, they took in hostage the community. In my world, I don't say yes to hostage. In my world we answer directly, we don't speak thanks to another guy. In my world we don't do bad thing then come to say nothing happened. These guys decided to create their website, they decided, now they have it. Enf of discussion. Users will choose according to their morale. Good try but I don't play with so contemptible guy. Idon't forget. Noone forget. Benoit. On Jun 1, 2007, at 2:03 AM, Leif Thande wrote: > I just received an answer from marc[i1], one of the maintainers of > archlinux.fr . Here is his answer, followed by a translated version > (approximative, I tried to keep as near as possible to the author > message) : > > "Bonjour, > Hi, > > C'est au médiateur que je m'adresse au nom de tous les admins > d'archlinux.fr. > > I'm corresponding to the mediator in the name of all the admins of > archlinux.fr. > > Après quelques insultes, Benoitc vient finalement de poser sur la > ML des > conditions pour un rassemblement des deux sites en ces termes: > > After some insults, Benoitc just expressed on the mailing-list the > conditions for a merge of both websites : > > "I'm ready to link to their repo and gallery if they merge their > current content with archlinuxfr.org, that's > all. So they could continue their original projects without be > disturbing. Seems they can now have > their own server. For sure I can't give them any password or admin > level on archlinuxfr.org. I don't trust them." > > Outre l'ambiance désagréable, ces conditions posent des problèmes > techniques. Il est par exemple évident qu'un accès en admin est > nécessaire et que nous ne pourrons travailler ensemble que dans un > climat de confiance. > > In addition to an unpleasant atmosphere, those conditions bring > technical problems. For example, it is obvious that an admin access is > necessary and that we won't be able to cooperate without a climate of > trust. > > Pour cette raison, nous demandons que la modération débute en > remettant à plat toutes ces conditions et surtout qu'elle se fasse > avec > non pas avec benoitc mais avec les autres administrateurs > d'archlinuxfr.org avec qui nous avons toujours entretenu des rapports > très cordiaux. De notre côté, les administrateurs qui étaient à > l'origine de la séparation seront mis à l'écart des négociations > afin que le débat aille de l'avant sans tenir compte du passé. > > For this reason, we're asking that the moderation starts by taking out > these conditions, and most of all that the discussion isn't done > directly with Benoitc but with the other admistrators of > archlinuxfr.org with whom we always had very cordials relationships. > On our side, the administrators that were in charge of the separation > and the creation of archlinux.fr won't take part in the mediation > process to make the discussion progress without consideration of what > happened in the past. > > Nous souhaitons trouver rapidement une solution à ce conflit. > Sincères salutations." > > We wish to rapidly find a solution to this conflict. Best wishes. > > " > > > That being said, it is now clear that both side are willing to take > part in a discussion to find a solution, within or outside a mediation > process. So here is what I'm proposing : > > 1 - Since Benoit seems opposed to a mediation, I'm proposing that the > discussion is done directly between both sides. > > 2- Both sides nominate 2 members responsible to take the lead of the > discussion. The reason we need two members is to avoid the process > being slowed down in case of absence of a member. The "leaders" will > be announced on the Arch mailing-list OR an announce is made that the > side doesn't want to take part in the discussion process. > > 3- Both sides "leaders" of the discussions communicate with each other > to determine where and how the discussion will take place. Here I'm > proposing the discussion is made public, but not on the main Arch > mailing-list since it will be in French and that it's not really the > best place for it. A suitable place will need to be found (Google > group maybe ?). > > 4- For my part, I'm proposing to act as an observer. My role would be > limited to informing the Arch team when substantial progress or > decisions are made, and limit my interventions only when the > discussion is drifting away or entering in a deadlock. I also ask both > side to signify if they accept me as an observer or not. In the case > of a rejection by either side, another observer would need to be > found. > > I know that might seem a bit complicated for nothing, but I think it > is necessary to avoid falling again in fights and insults. > > I think we have a good start here. So let's get things straight from > both side, and then start the work. This is the reputation of the > french community that is at stake. > > Sincerely yours, > > Leif Thande > > _______________________________________________ > arch mailing list > [email protected] > http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
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