On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Viraj Rajaguru <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think one of the main reasons for loosing the slickness of ESB graphical > editor is we haven't restricted the user activities appropriately. While > comparing with other graphical tools, ESB graphical editor is giving > unnecessary freedom to user to design his diagrams. > > For an example if user is implementing inSequence of the proxy service, > editor should not give user to move the elements along the 'Y' axis. > Otherwise user will endup with an inSequence which has set of mediators > with different Y values (coordinates) which gives a non professional look. > But is that the biggest problem? Please re-read Sanjiva's original mail. What about the direction of the arrows? That has nothing to do with Y axis, does it? Also, if you restrict Y axis, how a user is supposed to drag a mediator from in-flow to out and vise-verse? are we getting rid of that use case? And, in my experiance, when the screen real state is small, you need the Y axis capability, when you have several mediators, as they cannot fit all into one screen on one flow. Will that not be problematic? > > And also with this unnecessary freedom, distances between elements > (interms of X, Y coordinates) in the diagram are different, and indirectly > leads to a messed diagram. > > For an immediate solution we can try to restrict user activities to some > extend and check the improvements in slickness aspects with these > restrictions. > > And also we will compare ESB graphical editor with other graphical editors > and will prepare a list of reasons why ESB graphical editor has been > deviated from other smooth graphical editors. > > > Thanks, > Viraj. > > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe <[email protected]>wrote: > >> This popped up in the other thread on stability. >> >> What we need to do is to come up with a list of things that we can do to >> immediately address some of the known issues that are simple to fix. >> >> Tooling team, can you have a look and respond to this thread ASAP? >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Samisa Abeysinghe <[email protected]> >> Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [Architecture] Stabilizing ESB Graphical Editor >> To: architecture <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Samisa beyond bugs there's simple "it doesn't look professional" stuff. >>> For example the arrow heads turn the wrong way when the line's close etc.. >>> We need to simple do MUCH better in the visual feel of the thing. It does >>> not have the "slick" feel of a picture you see on creately.com right >>> now and we need that. >>> >> >> Yes I agree. The "does not look professional" are bugs too, and they >> affect usability. >> >> So there are two problems. The bugs that Kasun and the rest of the team >> are reporting are absolute blockers, as they prevent the tool being used in >> a practical use case. Since we want this tool to be used for all use cases, >> we will go ahead and fix those edge cases anyway. >> >> And at the same time, we will make a separate effort on the professional >> aspect. Even in the hackathon, we can pay attention to these stuff. >> But they need a different eye, to capture, than the bugs. >> >> >>> >>> Can the tooling team come fix those up themselves? All it takes is to >>> look at others (including Mule Studio) and ask yourselves honestly whether >>> its in the same league for visual slickness. >>> >> >> Yes this is possible. We will look into this. >> >> >>> >>> The issues of whether the modeling is useful and working is another >>> aspect - and that certainly requires ESB team help. >>> >>> Sanjiva. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> What are the dates for the hackathon? And who will participate form >>>> DevS side and who from ESB side? Who else? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Jasintha Dasanayake <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 for the hackathon >>>>> >>>>> /Jasintha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Viraj Rajaguru <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, if we already know the issues, may be it would be a good idea >>>>>>> to do a hackathon with ESB + DesvS teams so that we can fix the pressing >>>>>>> issues fast track and do a patch release sooner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, we can visit these use cases. >>>>>>> Shall we try 2 days of Hakacthon? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 for the hackathon with ESB + DevS teams. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Viraj. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Viraj Rajaguru >>>>>> Software Engineer >>>>>> WSO2 Inc. : http://wso2.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Mobile: +94 77 3683068 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Architecture mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Jasintha Dasanayake >>>>> ** >>>>> Software Engineer >>>>> WSO2 Inc. | http://wso2.com >>>>> lean . enterprise . middleware >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> *mobile :- 077 291 6596* >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Samisa... >>>> >>>> Samisa Abeysinghe >>>> VP Engineering >>>> WSO2 Inc. >>>> http://wso2.com >>>> http://wso2.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Architecture mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ >>> email: [email protected]; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880| +1 >>> 650 265 8311 >>> blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >>> >>> Lean . Enterprise . Middleware >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Architecture mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> Samisa... >> >> Samisa Abeysinghe >> VP Engineering >> WSO2 Inc. >> http://wso2.com >> http://wso2.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> Samisa... >> >> Samisa Abeysinghe >> VP Engineering >> WSO2 Inc. >> http://wso2.com >> http://wso2.org >> > > > > -- > Viraj Rajaguru > Software Engineer > WSO2 Inc. : http://wso2.com > > Mobile: +94 77 3683068 > > > > -- Thanks, Samisa... Samisa Abeysinghe VP Engineering WSO2 Inc. http://wso2.com http://wso2.org
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