If I understood your comment below, you are now agreeable to remove SOME of the
needs tests on only a /24. I suppose that is a change but not much of one at
all and it will only help the smallest of the needs out there MAYBE if they can
pass whatever your relaxed needs test would be. Yes maybe that is a slight
shift in your position but pretty negligible and NOT IMHO what is really needed.
If this was 10 or 15 years ago and I was in a position to block an allocation
request of yours for say a /22 that you really needed, I doubt you would be
very happy if I told you that you could only have a /24 and then only if you
could pass some arbitrary test that I came up with. In the real world folks
need real allocations and current policy stands in the way.
Steven Ryerse
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From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:30 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: Owen DeLong; Matthew Kaufman; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
Is is indeed a significant shift in my position.
I think that is something you should recognise.
I'm all for giving small orgs the space they need, which seems to be what you
want. However, ido not believe that this policyt does that for you, or indeed
for anyone in a way that is cheaper than getting the space from the RIR.
--
Cheers,
McTim
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steven Ryerse
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Wow! A whole /24 – that’s pretty generous of you! What a large compromise
that is . . . .
Steven Ryerse
President
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From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:29 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: Owen DeLong; Matthew Kaufman; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
Hi Steven,
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Steven Ryerse
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There are several folks (like me) who want to ditch the needs test and there
are several folks who don't want to ditch them. I take it your position is
that the folks who want to keep needs tests should somehow prevail in this
argument without much or any change, and those of us who wish to ditch them
should just accept the status quo with needs tests. In other words you win and
we lose!
I saw a lot of folks comment here recently who want to at least loosen needs
tests on the smaller block sizes, many many more than I've ever seen before.
Since it is obvious a sizable portion of this community desires a change toward
loosening policies, why is it that you persist in standing in the way of
compromise?
As for me, I think relaxing (not eliminating needs assessment at a /24 boundary
is plenty of compromise.
See Andrew Dul's most recent mail for possible scenario's.
--
Cheers,
McTim
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indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
There comes a time when fair is fair - and small organizations are routinely
discriminated against because of our small size and not so deep pockets. There
is a lot of anger out there over the unfairness of these existing policies. It
should be just as easy for us to get resources as it was for T-Mobile and
others. I call on all members of this community to at least come to a
compromise. After all the world hasn't ended for RIPE with their changes - and
it won't end here either if fairness is put back into the policies so that
small organizations can get the resources they need too!
Steven Ryerse
President
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On
Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:25 PM
To: Matthew Kaufman
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> Matthew Kaufman
>
> ps. I'd also note that "policy that expresses the general intent of the
> community" may in fact *be* policy that lets post-runout transfers be
> performed without a needs test, as "the community" consists of a lot more
> than "Owen”.
Indeed, it does. However, many people have also repeatedly stood up in defense
of needs basis, so singling me out as if I am the lone supporter of preserving
needs basis is as specious as many of your other arguments.
Owen
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