Please put a number on "so many" and provide documentation to support that number.
Owen On Jun 10, 2014, at 14:43 , Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes some blocks have been returned and that is a good thing. My question for > your first point then is why are so many transfers (in this region) of > resources happening outside of ARIN and the “Transfers to Specified > Recipients” policy (or other applicable ARIN policies)? After all I think we > would get a near unanimous consensus that when the database doesn’t get > updated after a transfer it is a negative thing? So it is not desirable for > transfers to take place outside of ARIN but it keeps happening anyway. Why? > > Steven Ryerse > President > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > 770.656.1460 - Cell > 770.399.9099- Office > > <image001.jpg>℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:24 PM > To: Steven Ryerse > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> > wrote: > Yes I agree it should have happened years ago and I agree that an outside > marketplace already exists, but it isn't too late for ARIN to engage and > embrace the new marketplace. > > > They have embraced it, fully: > > https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html > > > > > I certainly do understand why those large Legacy holders would just watch > and wait to see what happened in the marketplace once all of the RIRs run out > of resources. It is in their interest to do so. > > > but there have been cases of good net-citizenship where entities have > returned large blocks (even entire /8's) in recent years. > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." Jon Postel > > > > Steven Ryerse > President > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > 770.656.1460 - Cell > 770.399.9099- Office > > ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Elvis Velea > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers > > > On 10/06/14 22:15, [email protected] wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000 > > Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and ease > >> up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the slack > >> outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be > >> created. It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and I > >> can’t stop it. As you probably know this is already happening with > >> the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who is > >> out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to > >> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply > >> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s that > >> were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring > >> some of those resources to market. That supply could defer switching > >> to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6. > >> > > > > Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim > > un-needed IPV4 space. > > this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late. > > Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The marketplace > exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their communities have built > policies for it. Would you give them up if you would be having a (large) > number of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your organization the money needed > to invest in new equipment and skills and migrate to IPv6 :) > > cheers, > elvis > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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