Yes some blocks have been returned and that is a good thing. My question for
your first point then is why are so many transfers (in this region) of
resources happening outside of ARIN and the “Transfers to Specified Recipients”
policy (or other applicable ARIN policies)? After all I think we would get a
near unanimous consensus that when the database doesn’t get updated after a
transfer it is a negative thing? So it is not desirable for transfers to take
place outside of ARIN but it keeps happening anyway. Why?
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From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:24 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Steven Ryerse
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes I agree it should have happened years ago and I agree that an outside
marketplace already exists, but it isn't too late for ARIN to engage and
embrace the new marketplace.
They have embraced it, fully:
https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html
I certainly do understand why those large Legacy holders would just watch and
wait to see what happened in the marketplace once all of the RIRs run out of
resources. It is in their interest to do so.
but there have been cases of good net-citizenship where entities have returned
large blocks (even entire /8's) in recent years.
--
Cheers,
McTim
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indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Steven Ryerse
President
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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On
Behalf Of Elvis Velea
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:40 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
On 10/06/14 22:15, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000
> Steven Ryerse
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and ease
>> up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the slack
>> outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be
>> created. It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and I
>> can’t stop it. As you probably know this is already happening with
>> the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who is
>> out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to
>> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply
>> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s that
>> were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring
>> some of those resources to market. That supply could defer switching
>> to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6.
>>
>
> Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim
> un-needed IPV4 space.
this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.
Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The marketplace
exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their communities have built
policies for it. Would you give them up if you would be having a (large) number
of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your organization the money needed to invest
in new equipment and skills and migrate to IPv6 :)
cheers,
elvis
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