Even one transfer that doesn't update the database is one too many and I'm sure
just by reading Mike Burns post today it is more than a few. Mike used the
phrase "driven underground" in his post today and that is what is happening.
I read your resume a while back and it is impressive. You spend a lot more of
your time dealing with these issues than I do. So I ask again - why are so
many transfers (in this region) of resources happening outside of ARIN's
“Transfers to Specified Recipients” policy?
Steven Ryerse
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-----Original Message-----
From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:09 AM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: Steven Ryerse; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
> Please put a number on "so many" and provide documentation to support
> that number.
My reaction as well.
While we are at it, if we want to get a sense of how much of the total
"Registry inaccuracy" is due to undocumented (grey or black market) transfers,
those numbers would be extraordinarily useful in seeing the problem statement
clearly.
No clue how to gauge these numbers however!
--
Cheers,
McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
> Owen
>
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 14:43 , Steven Ryerse
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Yes some blocks have been returned and that is a good thing. My
> question for your first point then is why are so many transfers (in
> this region) of resources happening outside of ARIN and the “Transfers
> to Specified Recipients” policy (or other applicable ARIN policies)?
> After all I think we would get a near unanimous consensus that when
> the database doesn’t get updated after a transfer it is a negative
> thing? So it is not desirable for transfers to take place outside of ARIN
> but it keeps happening anyway. Why?
>
> Steven Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099- Office
>
> <image001.jpg>℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
> Conquering Complex Networks℠
>
> From: McTim [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:24 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Steven Ryerse
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes I agree it should have happened years ago and I agree that an
> outside marketplace already exists, but it isn't too late for ARIN to
> engage and embrace the new marketplace.
>
>
>
> They have embraced it, fully:
>
> https://arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_3.html
>
>
>
>
> I certainly do understand why those large Legacy holders would just
> watch and wait to see what happened in the marketplace once all of the
> RIRs run out of resources. It is in their interest to do so.
>
>
>
> but there have been cases of good net-citizenship where entities have
> returned large blocks (even entire /8's) in recent years.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
>
>
>
>
> Steven Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099- Office
>
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
> Conquering Complex Networks℠
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Elvis Velea
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 4:40 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> On 10/06/14 22:15, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000
>> Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and
>>> ease up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the
>>> slack outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will
>>> be created. It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and
>>> I can’t stop it. As you probably know this is already happening
>>> with the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who
>>> is out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to
>>> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply
>>> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s
>>> that were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will
>>> bring some of those resources to market. That supply could defer
>>> switching to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6.
>>>
>>
>> Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim
>> un-needed IPV4 space.
>
> this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.
>
> Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The
> marketplace exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their
> communities have built policies for it. Would you give them up if you
> would be having a (large) number of unused IPs; IPs that may bring
> your organization the money needed to invest in new equipment and
> skills and migrate to IPv6 :)
>
> cheers,
> elvis
>
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