On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > What you are saying is that zombie corporations are real, and are a legal and > policy-compliant option for those who don't like the needs test.
No, not at all. What I am saying is that we have seen address blocks hijacked by organizations (or routed via false LOA) which are only going to use the address space for a short-period. > You are also saying that corporations who don't like the needs test are also > purchasing options on the IP address holdings of other companies, effectively > controlling those addresses although not having them registered. Are you suggesting that ARIN should become involved in a private contract between two organizations that doesn't involve transfer of the registration of an address block, but only future potential of same? I can enter into an agreement with you that you will not sell a book (or your car, or your laptop) to another party within first coming to me; that is likely to be seen as valid contractual agreement that does not involve any other parties. > Would you also say that corporations which go this option route, and > corporations which purchase zombie companies would actually prefer to be the > listed registrants? In my experience they would prefer this. I have no idea; you would expect that they'd perform a transfer in accordance with community policy if they preferred that route. > Excepting spammers, who usually lease, not purchase, space for obvious > reasons, Exactly to Owen's point... there are parties which do not desire accurate registration for their own reasons, and these parties are quite willing to permanently transfer address space if it meets their needs. > and who have no part in this conversation. That is correct only to the extent that there is not a high overlap between those who wish to bypass the community policy and those who wish to operate various spam & botnet services. I imagine there are parties that want to interconnect with the other service providers for legitimate business but still not follow their policies, but such disingenuous behavior is frequently shown by those abuse the network. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
