You said: " The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. “
I was replying to that. Owen On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote: > I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP. > That’s real life at the moment. Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone > else. > > Steven Ryerse > President > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > 770.656.1460 - Cell > 770.399.9099- Office > > <image001.jpg>℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:08 PM > To: Steven Ryerse > Cc: David Huberman; Matthew Petach; [email protected] List > ([email protected]) > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart > and Simplified Needs Verification > > Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that. > > Owen > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > What a breath of fresh perspective! This is what is going on in the real > world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of > removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24. As if somehow the ipv4 > depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s. The world is > changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. > > > Steven Ryerse > President > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > www.eclipse-networks.com > 770.656.1460 - Cell > 770.399.9099- Office > > <image001.jpg>℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of David Huberman > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM > To: Matthew Petach > Cc: [email protected] List ([email protected]) > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart > and Simplified Needs Verification > > Hiya Matthew, > > Thanks for the reply. I want to respond to one item in your post: > > > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone > > is in agreement about what constitutes a > > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land > > grab. If we look at land allocations in california > > as any indication, humans will warp and twist > > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed > > and profits. > > If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available > data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large > content providers have already scooped up (or are > in the process of scooping up) the space they need > for the forseeable future (presumably enough to > tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient). > > Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million > IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now, > according to transfer stats and Whois. > > Google has secured an exclusive option for more than > a /8 worth of space already. > > Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China > faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase > for "Hi". [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in > China for sale, please hit me up!] > > From my point of view - and the point of view of my > executives - this isn't a land grab. It's for-profit > corporations doing what's necessary to survive the > current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently > put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders > to ensure continuity of operations. It makes business sense > to these companies to buy or tie-up this space. > > And my point is not so much to argue about whether these > are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already > engaged in the market fully. ARIN policy needs, in my opinion, > to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability. It isn't fair, > in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without > consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a > /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without > going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and > what-have-you under ARIN policy. > > Just my opinion, > David > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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