On Sep 23, 2014 4:18 PM, "Steven Ryerse" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have my ipv6 but only one of my upstreams supports it so I can’t run BGP. That’s real life at the moment. Until then I still need ipv4 like everyone else. > >
Which bgp speaking upstream does not support ipv6? Is it a regional network? You choose them because of price ? CB > > Steven Ryerse > > President > > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > > 770.656.1460 - Cell > > 770.399.9099- Office > > > > ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > > > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:08 PM > To: Steven Ryerse > Cc: David Huberman; Matthew Petach; [email protected] List ( [email protected]) > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification > > > > Yep… Everyone should deploy IPv6… I’m all for that. > > > > Owen > > > > On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> What a breath of fresh perspective! This is what is going on in the real world and much of it outside of ARIN - and I can’t even get consensus of removing needs tests in ARIN-2014-18 on a measly /24. As if somehow the ipv4 depletion problem can be saved by limiting allocations of /24s. The world is changing rapidly and its time to embrace the future as it will be very soon. >> >> >> >> >> >> Steven Ryerse >> >> President >> >> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 >> >> www.eclipse-networks.com >> >> 770.656.1460 - Cell >> >> 770.399.9099- Office >> >> >> >> <image001.jpg>℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. >> >> Conquering Complex Networks℠ >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Huberman >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:02 PM >> To: Matthew Petach >> Cc: [email protected] List ([email protected]) >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy SlowStart and Simplified Needs Verification >> >> >> >> Hiya Matthew, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the reply. I want to respond to one item in your post: >> >> >> >> > I suspect the challenge here is that not everyone >> > is in agreement about what constitutes a >> >> > "bona fide" transfer, as opposed to a land >> > grab. If we look at land allocations in california >> > as any indication, humans will warp and twist >> > any well-intentioned plan for their own greed >> > and profits. >> >> >> >> If you talk to brokers and look at publicly-available >> >> data, it shows that the telcos and cablecos and large >> >> content providers have already scooped up (or are >> >> in the process of scooping up) the space they need >> >> for the forseeable future (presumably enough to >> >> tie them over until dual-stacking is sufficient). >> >> >> >> Amazon has been transferring blocks of a million >> >> IPs into their name from Merck for a few years now, >> >> according to transfer stats and Whois. >> >> >> >> Google has secured an exclusive option for more than >> >> a /8 worth of space already. >> >> >> >> Large blocks have disappeared off the market in China >> >> faster than you can lookup the Chinese welcoming phrase >> >> for "Hi". [If anyone has an in on non-fraudulent space in >> >> China for sale, please hit me up!] >> >> >> >> From my point of view - and the point of view of my >> >> executives - this isn't a land grab. It's for-profit >> >> corporations doing what's necessary to survive the >> >> current landscape while, as one PPML poster eloquently >> >> put it, fulfilling their fiduciary duty to their shareholders >> >> to ensure continuity of operations. It makes business sense >> >> to these companies to buy or tie-up this space. >> >> >> >> And my point is not so much to argue about whether these >> >> are morally right or not, but to say that the big guys are already >> >> engaged in the market fully. ARIN policy needs, in my opinion, >> >> to look out for everyone else to ensure equitability. It isn't fair, >> >> in my world view, if Google can buy space willy-nilly without >> >> consequence, but Matthew and Dave's Tire Shop can't buy a >> >> /22 for their 1,000 devices which need front-end space without >> >> going through multiple rounds of transfers and purchases and >> >> what-have-you under ARIN policy. >> >> >> >> Just my opinion, >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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