But you ignore the reality of life in a small Org that has limited resources.
They are spending all their time just trying to keep their doors open and don't
have the extra time to participate even if they want to. I think this
community is certainly capable of doing their fiduciary responsibility by
making sure the needs of small Orgs are met just like is done for larger Orgs.
I do see this community doing some of that but I think more needs to be done.
Steven L Ryerse
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-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:47 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: Gary Buhrmaster; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
It's always fun when people depend on nameless faceless silent majorities to
bolster their argument.
Bottom line, in this as in all things, decisions are made by those who show up.
If the members of the community who do not comment and/or only hold legacy
allocations continue to not speak up, then it is impossible for us to consider
their support based solely on your belief that it exists.
If you truly believe this to be the case, then rally them to come out and
support what you want. I assure you that if they do, policy will change based
on consensus of the expanded body of participation. However, we can only
operate on the consensus of those who voice an opinion. It is impossible to
count support or opposition from those who do not voice it.
This is true in any deliberative body and in any policy process of which I am
aware. There is simply no viable or accurate way to measure the opinions of
those who choose not to voice an opinion.
Owen
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 09:27 , Steven Ryerse <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe a majority of the vocal community does, but I doubt if you add in all
> members of the community who do not comment and all the members of the
> community that only hold legacy allocations, I suspect that might not be the
> case. I think the legacy community is speaking volumes by not participating
> by commenting in this forum.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steven Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099- Office
>
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
> Conquering Complex Networks℠
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:12 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: Owen DeLong; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> All of those stats are interesting but they are not what is important here.
>> What is important is how many small Orgs that applied for the minimum
>> allocation (as it was defined at the time of the allocation request) since
>> ARIN was chartered were denied because of needs policy.
>>
>> I don’t know what that number is but if it is greater than zero, it
>> shouldn’t have happened! ARIN’s Mission is to Advance the Internet, not to
>> stifle it.
>
> While there is clearly support by some for your position advocating needless
> number allocations, the majority of the community supports a review to insure
> that the allocations are actually advancing the Internet, and not just
> throwing numbers around to whomever asks, whatever their plans (or lack
> thereof).
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