Why 13?  How about 3 or more?  Real life doesn't always fit neatly into a 
policy. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of David Huberman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:46 PM
To: [email protected]; Gary T. Giesen
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: 
Pleasedon't me make do ULA + NAT66)

Michael,

Does Gary's concrete suggestion -- adding a qualifier that you can get approved 
for IPv6 space if you have 13 more sites, with no other criteria -- make sense 
to you? Would you support it?

Thanks,
David


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:42 PM
To: Gary T. Giesen
Cc: David Huberman; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 End-User Initial Assignment Policy (or: Please 
don't me make do ULA + NAT66)


Gary T. Giesen <[email protected]> wrote:
    > That's obviously a consideration but I don't want to build an IPv6
    > adoption model for my customers around something quite so fuzzy where
    > one customer could be approved and another be denied. I prefer
    > something a little more concrete that I can point a customer to an say
    > "apply under this" and it's plain to them (and ARIN) that they qualify.

I completely hear you.
I've argued repeatedly (back to 2007) that this BS about routing slots is 
onsense, and that these kinds of policies are preventing adoption of IPv6 by 
small and middle sized enterprises.

It's just not ARIN's job to protect routing slots.

I'm not clear if the resulting /40 will be announced at all.
If it will remain internal with IPVPN, and then, with a PI prefix from each
*local* ISP, then you have the classic Non-Connected Network.

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