Hi John,

On 24/09/15 23:16, John Curran wrote:
On Sep 24, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Elvis Daniel Velea <[email protected]> wrote:
+1

Keeping needs basis in the NRPM will only drive the transfers underground. Some 
are already using all kind of financial tricks (futures contracts, lease 
contracts, etc) and are waiting for the needs basis criteria to be removed from 
NRPM in order to register the transfers in the ARIN Registry.

The Registry/Whois will win most from the removal of needs basis from the NRPM 
and process streamlining.
Elvis -

    To be clear, there is nothing “improper” about a future or option contract 
if two
    private parties decide to engage in such (and I can imagine cases where such
    an arrangement might make sense regardless of state of IPv4 transfer 
policy.)
correct.

    This does not detract from the your point that the usefulness of the 
registry is
    maximum when the party actually using the address block is the registrant
    (and hence transfer policies which even indirectly encourage other outcomes
    reduce its functionality, e.g. for operations, etc.)
And I believe that some financial 'tricks' are used instead of just registration in the registry/whois.

    There are even cases where loaning/leasing of address blocks may make sense;
that's true..
    I believe your point is that we don’t want to see these sorts of 
arrangements appear
    (in circumstances beyond their normal useful roles) as alternatives to 
transfers
    simply as a result of transfer policy hurdles - is that correct?
You got my point. I would rather see needs-based criteria removed in place of having all kind of documents hidden in archives as alternative for the transfer.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
regards,
elvis
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