From Owen’s Comments below: “What inequity? You haven’t yet shown one.”
With run-out here, it is time to turn that around. You need to prove that
Needs Testing is still needed in the post Run-Out period. Everything has
changed and it is a different Internet world we are now living in. Since
removal of Needs Testing has NOT been tried in this RIR, you are just guessing
what the effect on available resources will be.
Elvis made a pretty good argument in this thread that Needs Testing is no
longer needed. He describes what is happening in real life with resources in
other RIR’s which counter your argument – and it is not a guess. It’s pretty
obvious that if needs testing goes away, Legacy blocks will become much more
available to anyone who needs them, and as Elvis indicated the Database will
become much more accurate.
When any small Organization requesting a very small amount of resources is
completely denied resources because of arbitrary “policy”, ARIN has done the
opposite of the Mission it was founded to perform! As I said the time has come
to fix this inequity and embrace the new Internet world we are now in.
Steven Ryerse
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From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 2:48 PM
To: Steven Ryerse <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based
evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks
On Sep 25, 2015, at 10:48 , Steven Ryerse
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Owens comment from below:
“2. To the extent that there is supply, anyone who needs addresses can get them
already. Needs-based evaluation does not prevent those with need from getting
addresses… It prevents those without need from getting them.”
Owen’s comment is absolutely false!!!!! It allows large organizing who request
resources to get what they need or something smaller. It allows medium size
organizations who request resources to get what they need or something smaller.
It allows small organizations who request resources to get what they need or
nothing, and there is no other source to get resources if ARIN rejects a
request, but the open market which Owen and others seem to wish did not exist!
This is patently false.
Many small organizations have gotten resources from ARIN.
I have no problem with the open market so long as it conforms to the same
needs-basis evaluations that were used for free pool assignments/allocations.
Sure, organizations with larger needs have the option of getting less resources
than they need, but I don’t see how that differs from what I said.
Organizations with small needs can get what they need, assuming there is
supply. I did not distinguish between supply from the market and supply from
the free pool as I believe the rules should apply the same regardless of the
source of resources.
You say my statement is false and then go on to confirm that it is actually
true.
It is time to fix this inequity and removing needs tests would be a big help to
small organizations who really need resources!
What inequity?
You haven’t yet shown one.
Owen
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