I do agree with Owen in that every holder of resources is responsible for their timely bookkeeping. About the 2-byte ASN's, should they be recycled? Or should they just be retired?
José On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Apr 4, 2016, at 22:43 , David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Seth Mattinen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> If the ASN gets legitimately issued to someone else and the squatter >> proceeds to hijack it from the legitimate registrant they should be turned >> off if the ISP is going to do the right thing according to whois. >> >> ~Seth >> > > If you forgot to pay your bill and ARIN reissues your ASN, it's a matter > of perspective who the hijacker is. > > > If you forgot to pay your bill _AND_ forgot to update your contact info > _AND_ let that state of affairs remain so long that ARIN re-issued your > resources to someone else, then I have little sympathy for you. > > I did, in fact, encounter a situation where an employer (actually a > company acquired by said employer) had done just that and while I did my > best to resolve it with ARIN we ultimately ended up ceding the space. (This > was for IP Addresses, not an ASN, but still seems similar to me). > > I'm not saying it's OK to not pay your bill, but how punitive should we be > asking ARIN staff to be? Especially, if ARIN staff has every reason to > believe the organization using the ASN is the original registrant? And if > we the internet routing community are not will to be the bad guys and stop > routing it after ARIN staff signals us by removing it from the registry. > When what are we really expecting? > > > If ARIN has reason to believe they are the original registrant, we should > make an effort to contact and warn them. If their contacts are out of date, > then I think we have no real basis for believing it to be the original > organization and even if it is, they kind of made their own bed. > > I’ve found ARIN to be very helpful if you respond when they contact you or > if you contact them while they still can do something about it. > > We're not being very forthright, if we ask ARIN staff to break things that > we the internet routing community are not will to break ourselves. > > > We went through this with IPv4 addresses and it was made quite clear ahead > of time that the timeframe for IPv4 hold-down was going to be reduced. > Perhaps we should publish ASN hold-down times and then move forward > accordingly? > > Do we really need to recycle these ASN bad enough to cause intentional > breakage? Then we need to stop using them in the internet routing system! > > > Yes. I suspect there’s more of them being used for mischief than there are > people who merely forgot to pay their bills. > > I am not necessarily in favor of continuing the 2-byte ASN mythos, but I > am in favor of cleaning up the internet. > > Owen > > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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