On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard J Letts <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > My point of view > > a) I am not sure why educational institutions are not able to pay > the fees for other categories of usage, or why they need an exception. > > ARIN staff would need to decide if the application satisfies this: “a > volunteer group, not-for-profit, non-profit, or charitable organization” > > I’ve been involved with enough community groups to know that two of > these have weak governance structures that fail when there are conflicts (a > volunteer group and being a non-core aspect of a charitable organization), > inevitably leading to the collapse of the organization. I’m not going to > prejudge that debate here, but consider striking them. If the community > organization doesn’t have 501(c)3 status in the US they are leaving out the > opportunity to save money and get grants. > > Without a legal entity ‘owning’ the space how would ARIN know they were > dealing with, who is legally allowed to dispose of the space, etc. > Does it matter if they are non-profit? I believe that was originally included with the hopes that the board to offer a discount. The board has hasn't provided a discount, I doubt they ever will. The board did provided the 3X-small fee category, which by policy is not available to ISPs. What if community networks are allowed to be a 3X-small ISPs, the basic idea behind ARIN-2016-7. Having community networks be 3X-Small ISPs seems to be more aligned with what they are doing, it allows them to SWIP, where if they are an end-user they can not. So, again, does it matter if they are non-profit? How a bout we focus on what they are and what do, rather than how they are incorporated or registered. ISOC says; "Community networks, communications infrastructure deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs, are being increasingly proposed as a solution to connect the unconnected." https://www.internetsociety.org/issues/community-networks/ Citizen isn't the right word for here, but how about users? So how about something like this. "A community network is a network deployed, operated and governed by it's users, with a purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity within to its user's and the community in which they reside?" By going to 3X-small ISP, if a community network is or gets big they pay the same as any other ISP of their size, if they are truly small they have access to the 3X-small ISP fee category. And, ARIN staff doesn't have to poke its nose into the financial status of an organization, for-profit or non-profit. > b) Who cares if they provide ‘other Information Technology services’ > to their community; we’re talking about internet access here > If in addition to "connectivity" they also provide email or web hosting is that OK? Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[email protected] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
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