+1

Keep in mind this goes right along with other things we have done we have done.

In 2017-5 we changed the IPv6 policy so that only individually routed blocks had to be SWIP'ed, and normally routed blocks of a /48 or smaller also do not require SWIP.

The policy all along for IPv4 is /29 or more require SWIP.

I can understand placing a SWIP for the entire assignment pool to indicate its use if it is in fact needed to receive another allocation of IPv6 space, much the same as been done with IPv4 DHCP blocks. Temporary assigments should not trigger registration as long as they are below the limits above generally, as i doubt anyone will be offering special routing on the temporary assignments.

In IPv6, there are positives of giving a prefix delegation to each user, and keeping each device on its own network, to protect each of the users from each other. While that is not now generally done, I can see this happening in the future. As long as the temporary assignments are less than the minimum reporting requirements for SWIP, I do not see any problem with this policy, and favor the short and sweet over the long and wordy.

I do not think revenue or advertisments using the addressses make any difference, as long as the addresses provided are indeed temporary and are below the SWIP limits.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.


On Tue, 8 May 2018, Chris Woodfield wrote:

Maybe a better way to approach this question would be, are the use cases at 
issue here (guest wifi hotspots, etc) a business activity that one would 
consider a primary line of business for the organization?

I???m wondering if a better way to approach this would be to ask the question 
as to whether or not the assignment of resources to third-party end users is an 
action that???s considered a product that the organization/company provides, or 
an ancillary service. In most cases, wifi hotspots clearly are ancillary, and 
as such, I would not see any issue with considering those allocations direct 
assignments. If wifi connectivity is a substantial revenue-generating service 
for the organization, however, then I agree that an allocation is a better fit.

-C

On May 8, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Austin Murkland <[email protected]> wrote:

+1

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 9:40 PM Andrew Dul <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd like to suggest that the proposed policy text be shorted and clarified.  I 
don't believe all the examples are necessary in the definition section.

Add to the end of NRPM Section 2.5 - https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two5 
<https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two5>

Current draft text:

The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix is non-permanently 
provided to third parties, on a link operated by the original receiver of the 
assignment, shall not be considered a sub-assignment. This includes, for 
example, guests or employees (devices or servers), hotspots, and point-to-point 
links or VPNs. The provision of addressing for permanent connectivity or 
broadband services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the addressing of 
the point-to-point link itself can be permanent and that addressing can't be 
used (neither directly or indirectly) for the actual communication.

My suggested rewrite:

A unique address or a unique /64 prefix that is non-permanently provided to 
third parties, shall not be considered an assignment.



On 4/24/2018 11:57 AM, David Farmer wrote:
I note that the text in question is the subject of an editorial change that the 
AC has recently forwarded to Board for review, at a minimum the policy text 
need to be updated to account for this editorial change. Further, I do not 
support the text as written.

I support a change to section 2 that is not quite so IPv6 specific and focused 
more on the idea that providing hotspot, guest access, or other such temporary 
access does not necessitate the making of re-assignments from a policy 
perspective.  Furthermore, such uses are not in conflict with the conditions of 
an assignment (made by ARIN) or re-assignment (made by an ISP or LIR). Also, If 
the details of RFC8273 need to be mentioned at all, they should be someplace in 
section 6, not in section 2, the definitions of assign, allocate, re-assign and 
re-allocate should remain agnostic about IP version.

Thanks.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:22 PM, ARIN <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
On 18 April 2018 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-254: 
Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments" as a Draft Policy.

Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4 is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_4.html 
<https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_4.html>

You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate 
the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with 
ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy 
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:

 * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
 * Technically Sound
 * Supported by the Community

The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>

Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html 
<https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>

Regards,

Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)



Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments

Problem Statement:

When the policy was drafted, the concept of assignments/sub-assignments did not 
consider a practice very common in IPv4 which is replicated and even amplified 
in IPv6: the use of IP addresses for point-to-point links or VPNs.

In the case of IPv6, instead of unique addresses, the use of unique prefixes 
(/64) is increasingly common.

Likewise, the policy failed to consider the use of IP addresses in hotspots, or 
the use of IP addresses by guests or employees in Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) 
and many other similar cases.

Finally, the IETF has recently approved the use of a unique /64 prefix per 
interface/host (RFC8273) instead of a unique address. This, for example, allows 
users to connect to a hotspot, receive a /64 such that they are ???isolated??? 
from other users (for reasons of security, regulatory requirements, etc.) and 
they can also use multiple virtual machines on their devices with a unique 
address for each one (within the same /64).

Section 2.5 (Definitions/Allocate and Assign), explicitly prohibits such 
assignments, stating that ???Assignments... are not to be sub-assigned to other 
parties???.

This proposal clarifies this situation in this regard and better define the 
concept, particularly considering new uses of IPv6 (RFC8273), by means of a new 
paragraph.

5.    Policy Statement

Actual Text

???    Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or 
end-user, for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate. 
Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific 
organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.

New Text

???    Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or 
end-user, for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate. 
Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific 
organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.

The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix is non-permanently 
provided to third parties, on a link operated by the original receiver of the 
assignment, shall not be considered a sub-assignment. This includes, for 
example, guests or employees (devices or servers), hotspots, and point-to-point 
links or VPNs. The provision of addressing for permanent connectivity or 
broadband services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the addressing of 
the point-to-point link itself can be permanent and that addressing can't be 
used (neither directly or indirectly) for the actual communication.



6.    Comments

a.    Timetable for implementation:

Immediate

b.    Anything else:

Situation in other regions: This situation, has already been corrected in RIPE, 
and the policy was updated in a similar way, even if right now there is a small 
discrepancy between the policy text that reached consensus and the RIPE NCC 
Impact Analysis. A new policy proposal has been submitted to amend that, and 
the text is the same as presented by this proposal at ARIN. Same text has also 
been submitted to AfriNIC, LACNIC and APNIC.
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