What will be your opinion if I amend this proposal, so it works for
both IPv4 and IPv6, having this text in section 2.5 (Allocate and
Assign), make it shorter and more generic:
“A unique IPv4 or IPv6 address or a unique IPv6 /64 prefix, which is
non-permanently provided to third parties, shall not be considered an
assignment”
Alternatively, if we don’t want to go so far as to define the “size”:
“An IPv4 or IPv6 block of address, which is non-permanently provided
to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment”
I didn’t found short-term defined in the NRPM. Do you still think we
need to define “permanently” ? I think saying non-permanently it is
quite obvious, but maybe folks disagree …
Regards,
Jordi
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IPv6 Sub-Assignments
"Nominative, verb indirect" isn't English ;) Clean english structure
would be:
"A unique address or a unique /64 prefix that is non-permanently
provided to third parties shall not be considered an assignment. "
Or if you really want a descriptive phrase that modifies the
nominative you can get commas like so:
"A unique address or a unique /64 prefix, which is non-permanently
provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment."
I would also argue that this phrase is very vague unless "permanently"
is defined elsewhere in the document. Wasn't there some phrasing
around short-term assignment? (sorry, too busy/too lazy to grab the
entire doc right now)
On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM Andrew Dul
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd like to suggest that the proposed policy text be shorted and
clarified. I don't believe all the examples are necessary in the
definition section.
Add to the end of NRPM Section 2.5 -
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two5
Current draft text:
The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix is
non-permanently provided to third parties, on a link operated by
the original receiver of the assignment, shall not be considered a
sub-assignment. This includes, for example, guests or employees
(devices or servers), hotspots, and point-to-point links or VPNs.
The provision of addressing for permanent connectivity or
broadband services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the
addressing of the point-to-point link itself can be permanent and
that addressing can't be used (neither directly or indirectly) for
the actual communication.
My suggested rewrite:
A unique address or a unique /64 prefix that is non-permanently
provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment.
On 4/24/2018 11:57 AM, David Farmer wrote:
I note that the text in question is the subject of an
editorial change that the AC has recently forwarded to Board
for review, at a minimum the policy text need to be updated to
account for this editorial change. Further, I do not support
the text as written.
I support a change to section 2 that is not quite so IPv6
specific and focused more on the idea that providing hotspot,
guest access, or other such temporary access does not
necessitate the making of re-assignments from a policy
perspective. Furthermore, such uses are not in conflict with
the conditions of an assignment (made by ARIN) or
re-assignment (made by an ISP or LIR). Also, If the details of
RFC8273 need to be mentioned at all, they should be someplace
in section 6, not in section 2, the definitions of assign,
allocate, re-assign and re-allocate should remain agnostic
about IP version.
Thanks.
On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:22 PM, ARIN
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 18 April 2018 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
"ARIN-prop-254: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments" as
a Draft Policy.
Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4 is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_4.html
You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML.
The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the
conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of
Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy
Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community
The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
Regards,
Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6
Sub-Assignments
Problem Statement:
When the policy was drafted, the concept of
assignments/sub-assignments did not consider a practice
very common in IPv4 which is replicated and even amplified
in IPv6: the use of IP addresses for point-to-point links
or VPNs.
In the case of IPv6, instead of unique addresses, the use
of unique prefixes (/64) is increasingly common.
Likewise, the policy failed to consider the use of IP
addresses in hotspots, or the use of IP addresses by
guests or employees in Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) and
many other similar cases.
Finally, the IETF has recently approved the use of a
unique /64 prefix per interface/host (RFC8273) instead of
a unique address. This, for example, allows users to
connect to a hotspot, receive a /64 such that they are
“isolated” from other users (for reasons of security,
regulatory requirements, etc.) and they can also use
multiple virtual machines on their devices with a unique
address for each one (within the same /64).
Section 2.5 (Definitions/Allocate and Assign), explicitly
prohibits such assignments, stating that “Assignments...
are not to be sub-assigned to other parties”.
This proposal clarifies this situation in this regard and
better define the concept, particularly considering new
uses of IPv6 (RFC8273), by means of a new paragraph.
5. Policy Statement
Actual Text
• Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to
an ISP or end-user, for specific use within the Internet
infrastructure they operate. Assignments must only be made
for specific purposes documented by specific organizations
and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.
New Text
• Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to
an ISP or end-user, for specific use within the Internet
infrastructure they operate. Assignments must only be made
for specific purposes documented by specific organizations
and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties.
The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix
is non-permanently provided to third parties, on a link
operated by the original receiver of the assignment, shall
not be considered a sub-assignment. This includes, for
example, guests or employees (devices or servers),
hotspots, and point-to-point links or VPNs. The provision
of addressing for permanent connectivity or broadband
services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the
addressing of the point-to-point link itself can be
permanent and that addressing can't be used (neither
directly or indirectly) for the actual communication.
6. Comments
a. Timetable for implementation:
Immediate
b. Anything else:
Situation in other regions: This situation, has already
been corrected in RIPE, and the policy was updated in a
similar way, even if right now there is a small
discrepancy between the policy text that reached consensus
and the RIPE NCC Impact Analysis. A new policy proposal
has been submitted to amend that, and the text is the same
as presented by this proposal at ARIN. Same text has also
been submitted to AfriNIC, LACNIC and APNIC.
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