What will be your opinion if I amend this proposal, so it works for both IPv4 and IPv6, having this text in section 2.5 (Allocate and Assign), make it shorter and more generic:
“A unique IPv4 or IPv6 address or a unique IPv6 /64 prefix, which is non-permanently provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment” Alternatively, if we don’t want to go so far as to define the “size”: “An IPv4 or IPv6 block of address, which is non-permanently provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment” I didn’t found short-term defined in the NRPM. Do you still think we need to define “permanently” ? I think saying non-permanently it is quite obvious, but maybe folks disagree … Regards, Jordi De: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> en nombre de Jo Rhett <[email protected]> Fecha: miércoles, 9 de mayo de 2018, 20:37 Para: <[email protected]> CC: <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments "Nominative, verb indirect" isn't English ;) Clean english structure would be: "A unique address or a unique /64 prefix that is non-permanently provided to third parties shall not be considered an assignment. " Or if you really want a descriptive phrase that modifies the nominative you can get commas like so: "A unique address or a unique /64 prefix, which is non-permanently provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment." I would also argue that this phrase is very vague unless "permanently" is defined elsewhere in the document. Wasn't there some phrasing around short-term assignment? (sorry, too busy/too lazy to grab the entire doc right now) On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 6:40 PM Andrew Dul <[email protected]> wrote: I'd like to suggest that the proposed policy text be shorted and clarified. I don't believe all the examples are necessary in the definition section. Add to the end of NRPM Section 2.5 - https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two5 Current draft text: The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix is non-permanently provided to third parties, on a link operated by the original receiver of the assignment, shall not be considered a sub-assignment. This includes, for example, guests or employees (devices or servers), hotspots, and point-to-point links or VPNs. The provision of addressing for permanent connectivity or broadband services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the addressing of the point-to-point link itself can be permanent and that addressing can't be used (neither directly or indirectly) for the actual communication. My suggested rewrite: A unique address or a unique /64 prefix that is non-permanently provided to third parties, shall not be considered an assignment. On 4/24/2018 11:57 AM, David Farmer wrote: I note that the text in question is the subject of an editorial change that the AC has recently forwarded to Board for review, at a minimum the policy text need to be updated to account for this editorial change. Further, I do not support the text as written. I support a change to section 2 that is not quite so IPv6 specific and focused more on the idea that providing hotspot, guest access, or other such temporary access does not necessitate the making of re-assignments from a policy perspective. Furthermore, such uses are not in conflict with the conditions of an assignment (made by ARIN) or re-assignment (made by an ISP or LIR). Also, If the details of RFC8273 need to be mentioned at all, they should be someplace in section 6, not in section 2, the definitions of assign, allocate, re-assign and re-allocate should remain agnostic about IP version. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:22 PM, ARIN <[email protected]> wrote: On 18 April 2018 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-254: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2018_4.html You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration * Technically Sound * Supported by the Community The PDP can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html Regards, Sean Hopkins Policy Analyst American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments Problem Statement: When the policy was drafted, the concept of assignments/sub-assignments did not consider a practice very common in IPv4 which is replicated and even amplified in IPv6: the use of IP addresses for point-to-point links or VPNs. In the case of IPv6, instead of unique addresses, the use of unique prefixes (/64) is increasingly common. Likewise, the policy failed to consider the use of IP addresses in hotspots, or the use of IP addresses by guests or employees in Bring Your Own Device (BYOD) and many other similar cases. Finally, the IETF has recently approved the use of a unique /64 prefix per interface/host (RFC8273) instead of a unique address. This, for example, allows users to connect to a hotspot, receive a /64 such that they are “isolated” from other users (for reasons of security, regulatory requirements, etc.) and they can also use multiple virtual machines on their devices with a unique address for each one (within the same /64). Section 2.5 (Definitions/Allocate and Assign), explicitly prohibits such assignments, stating that “Assignments... are not to be sub-assigned to other parties”. This proposal clarifies this situation in this regard and better define the concept, particularly considering new uses of IPv6 (RFC8273), by means of a new paragraph. 5. Policy Statement Actual Text • Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or end-user, for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate. Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties. New Text • Assign - To assign means to delegate address space to an ISP or end-user, for specific use within the Internet infrastructure they operate. Assignments must only be made for specific purposes documented by specific organizations and are not to be sub-assigned to other parties. The fact that a unique address or even a unique /64 prefix is non-permanently provided to third parties, on a link operated by the original receiver of the assignment, shall not be considered a sub-assignment. This includes, for example, guests or employees (devices or servers), hotspots, and point-to-point links or VPNs. The provision of addressing for permanent connectivity or broadband services is still considered a sub-assignment. Only the addressing of the point-to-point link itself can be permanent and that addressing can't be used (neither directly or indirectly) for the actual communication. 6. Comments a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate b. Anything else: Situation in other regions: This situation, has already been corrected in RIPE, and the policy was updated in a similar way, even if right now there is a small discrepancy between the policy text that reached consensus and the RIPE NCC Impact Analysis. A new policy proposal has been submitted to amend that, and the text is the same as presented by this proposal at ARIN. Same text has also been submitted to AfriNIC, LACNIC and APNIC. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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