> On May 2, 2019, at 08:48 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > El 2/5/19 17:39, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Nicolas Antoniello" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> en nombre de > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió: > > ARIN (and so the other RIRs like LACNIC) are doing things to combat the > problem more effectively, like fostering RPKI deployment and so... but police > stuff remains (and I think it must remain) out of the scope of RIRs. > > As said before, I’m fine if the RIRs don’t want to take actions, but they > must have clear rules (policy text) that allows the victims to claim by other > means if they wish. This is a way for the RIR to not get involved, but still > facilitate the protection of the member’s rights.
There are already laws in the US that cover the cases ARIN could take action on. ARIN policy doesn’t carry the force of law, so walking into court and saying “This person hijacked my ARIN space and that’s a violation of ARIN policy” isn’t all that likely to add anything useful to the process. I’m loathe to predict what courts will do and I’m not a lawyer, but my guess is that whether or not hijacking is against ARIN policy isn’t going to have much impact either way on the case in question. It will be interesting to see if we get a test case, whether the judge will consider ARIN registration to be sufficient to support any sort of claim against a hijacker. However, in order to guarantee that the court would do so, you’d need a civil code statute or a criminal law, not an ARIN policy. Until there’s some form of legal precedent that ARIN registration conveys exclusive right to use on the internet by law, it’s merely a gentlemen’s agreement among cooperating parties. Owen > > Regards, > Nicolas > > > El jue., 2 de may. de 2019 a la(s) 09:19, Adam Thompson > ([email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>) escribió: >> Instead of focusing on whether the current proposal is or isn’t in scope, I >> suggest we re-cast the discussion as follows: >> >> 1. So far, we have unanimous community agreement that BGP hijacking is >> bad. >> >> 2. So far, we have broad agreement that “something ought to be done” >> about BGP hijacking, although detailed opinions vary significantly. >> >> 3. So what (else) can ARIN do about it? (Caveat: the answer “nothing” >> is unacceptable to a significant proportion of PPML participants.) >> >> >> My suggested direction to the AC and/or the board would therefore be: Find >> something ARIN can do to help combat the problem (more effectively). If >> this requires expanding the scope of ARIN’s operations or policies, bring >> that back to the membership (possibly via PPML?) with the accompanying >> financial & legal analysis, as usual. >> >> Now the question becomes: what is the most appropriate mechanism, within >> ARIN’s existing policies, to bring a request like that to the AC and/or >> Board? It seems clear to me that the petition already underway here is not >> meeting, and will not meet, the needs of the community very well. >> >> -Adam >> >> Adam Thompson >> Consultant, Infrastructure Services >> <image001.png> >> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive >> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 >> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> www.merlin.mb.ca <http://www.merlin.mb.ca/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >> issues. > > _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving > this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing > List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list > subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please > contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com <http://www.theipv6company.com/> > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the > individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if > partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be > considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the > original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > <image001.png>_______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues.
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