This is totally out of bounds and name calling. I ask the arin staff remove this person from the list.
Larry Ash Mountain West Telephone > On May 3, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Marilson Mapa <[email protected]> wrote: > > "The proponents of this proposal want you to think this proposal only affects > hijackers. That is not the case, this proposal affects anyone who operates a > router. It puts anyone who operates a router in jeopardy of losing their > Internet resources." > > The name of that, Mr. Farmer, is terrorism. You are pre-judging the > proponents and trying to create a threatening environment. Not satisfied puts > proponents as members of a Ku Klux Klan that "want you to think this proposal > only affects hijackers"... (???) > > "To be honest, I see more of a lynch mob mentality then true justice in this > proposal." > "When evaluating this proposal, don't envision a hijacker being judged, > envision yourself being judged by this system, because you just might be." > > This is terrorism. You are trying to implant fear in the defense of "out of > scope". And I see a lynch mob mentality in your arguments. > > Mr. Farmer, in the face of your behaviour I address to you some of the > questions of the ethical Andrew Bagrin: > I'm curious why do you not want to let ARIN try to start getting involved to > help resolve the issue of hijacking? > Are you doing hijacking and don't want interference? > Are you running a competitive service that you charge for? > > BTW, Carlos and Jordi are not asking to approve the text that you say has > ulterior motives. They are asking for help in getting a text that solves one > of the problems of the community. Using terrorist tactics to counter the > proposal just incriminates you. > > Marilson > > >> Em sex, 3 de mai de 2019 às 14:22, David Farmer <[email protected]> escreveu: >> Simply getting involved in hijacking is not what is proposed. And, by the >> way, ARIN and the other RIRs already are involved, heard of RPKI, IRR, >> etc... You can't say the problem is being ignored. Are these responses >> truly effective? Maybe not. Do we need to do more? Probably. Is this the >> answer? Maybe, but it really scares me. >> >> This proposal wants ARIN and the other RIRs to penalize hijacking. To do >> this someone has to judge the intent behind these events. From the other >> side of the Internet, it is difficult with any certainty to tell the >> difference between a typo and malicious activity in many of these events. >> >> Have you ever been on a jury in a murder trial? I have. The difference >> between the various counts of murder and manslaughter basically comes down >> to determining the intent involved in the actions causing the death of >> another human being. If you are involved in the death of someone and even if >> there is no culpable negligence or intent on your part, such an event is >> important enough for society to scrutinize your actions. >> >> So, I have some questions back to you; >> Have you ever mistyped an IP address or an ASN? >> Across the Internet, how many mistyped IP addresses and ASNs occur on a >> daily basis? >> >> This proposal asks ARIN and the other RIRs to create a system to scrutinize >> the actions of network operators and also impose penalties for those >> actions. This is not something that should be taken lightly. It is possible >> anyone on this mailing list will have to have their actions judged by this >> system. The proponents of this proposal want you to think this proposal only >> affects hijackers. That is not the case, this proposal affects anyone who >> operates a router. It puts anyone who operates a router in jeopardy of >> losing their Internet resources, for possibly something as innocent as >> making a typo in their router config. >> >> Do we really need and want to go there? I'm not saying no, but let's be >> really sure. And we have to make sure we get the system right, because any >> one of us may have to be judged by this system. When I look at this >> proposal, I don't see enough due process or safeguards involved that I feel >> comfortable subjecting myself to it. >> >> To be honest, I see more of a lynch mob mentality then true justice in this >> proposal. >> >> When evaluating this proposal, don't envision a hijacker being judged, >> envision yourself being judged by this system, because you just might be. >> >> Thanks >> >>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andrew Bagrin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm curious why do people not want to let ARIN try to start getting >>> involved to help resolve the issue of hijacking? >>> >>> Are you doing hijacking and don't want interference? >>> Are you running a competitive service that you charge for? >>> >>> Does anyone believe there is a valid reason to hijack and advertise IP >>> space that you do not own? (when the owner of that space does not want you >>> to advertise it) >>> >>> Why would anyone be against ARIN having a process to help resolve these >>> issues? Sure we can question how effective it will be, but anything will >>> be more effective than nothing, and by actually doing, failing and >>> learning, ARIN will only improve and refine the process. We will all learn >>> from this. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 10:08 PM Marilson Mapa <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> The president of ARIN describes his institution as an RIR with appropriate >>>> and functional policies. This is what we can deduce from his speech >>>> whenever he describes the performance of his institution. This same >>>> attitude can be seen in RIPE. >>>> >>>> "Violation can have consequence". >>>> >>>> It seems that the expression "can have" should be understood as "almost >>>> never", after all how to explain the rot that permeates the global >>>> Internet? The complaints, the lawsuits, the fines are becoming more and >>>> more frequent. >>>> I have today received as a member of BPF Cybersecurity the document **UN >>>> 1st Committee Processes on Responsible State Behaviour in Cyberspace >>>> explainer**. This 25-page document, addressed to ICANN, reports what they >>>> call disastrous behavior. It was drafted by Rubin International Law Firm >>>> and Notary of Israel for a Jewish religious institution. >>>> >>>> Basically they are demanding: >>>> "We require ICANN to terminate immediately the activities fostering >>>> Internet addiction, including the performance of relevant IANA functions, >>>> relevant gTLD activities, relevant Registry Operators' activities, >>>> relevant ICANN-accredited registrars' activities, including through RESP >>>> and amendments of registry and registrar agreements and to refrain from >>>> renewing the .info registry agreement with Afilias unless Afilias and its >>>> related companies terminate immediately activities fostering Internet >>>> addiction and the .info registry agreement is amended to prohibit Internet >>>> addiction activities." >>>> >>>> It's just one of the thousands of complaints popping up around the globe. >>>> And ARIN does not move a finger... It's out of the scope... >>>> >>>> Marilson >>>> >>>> >>>>> Em qui, 2 de mai de 2019 às 17:01, John Curran <[email protected]> >>>>> escreveu: >>>>> > On May 2, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML >>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > ... >>>>> > It seems evident that a RIR can't revoke legacy space. Ever. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos - >>>>> >>>>> In the case of ARIN that would be incorrect, as ARIN has revoked legacy >>>>> address space from parties that have violated registry policies. >>>>> >>>>> ARIN registry policies are applicable to all parties in the registry - >>>>> those legacy holders under RSA do have specific terms and conditions (and >>>>> a reduced fee schedule), but ARIN registry policies are applicable >>>>> regardless and violation can have consequence. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> /John >>>>> >>>>> John Curran >>>>> President and CEO >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ARIN-PPML >>>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARIN-PPML >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> >> -- >> =============================================== >> David Farmer Email:[email protected] >> Networking & Telecommunication Services >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >> =============================================== > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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