On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:41 PM Marilson Mapa <[email protected]> wrote: [snip] > Yesterday was "out of scope", today "there are no legal powers", tomorrow... > only the devil knows. > Mr. Ash's swamp is not on prop-266, it's on this corrupt internet that treats > the population as beef cattle. > Why so such resistance? Hmm?... > Marilson
Actually, both issues are still existing. The proposal is out of scope of PDP. Perhaps (not necessarily) language could be removed from the proposal to bring it more in scope --- but it is likely to remain clearly objectively and utterly out of scope without near completely rewritten proposal. Even then, there is still the thing about Operational Matters being out of authority of the NRPM; even if ARIN can involve themselves in some operational matters -- the Registry policy is not about operations, and the PDP does not allow for operational procedures and operational rules to be given as registry policies. Moving on to also discuss other issues does not mean that this issue is deemed cured or insignificant --- even if we consider hypothetical situations where this other problem is considered in isolation, and the scope or other issue(s) were ignored or momentarily glossed over within the context of that discussion only. Finally, the thing about ARIN not having authority over routers or router operators, ARIN is a Number Registry: not a trade group or business association of individuals and companies who run routers. The indirect operational effects of some registry policies should not be confused into suggesting that the ARIN community is a competent authority for deciding or arbitrating all the operational policies and technical matters related to BGP Hijacking and routers on the internet. It may be that a need or use for some association exists to regulate router operators, but that is not within ARIN's Mission, nor the purpose of an IP registry --- that may be a matter that warrants further organization of concerned operators. And the RSA not providing the concept of a "Policy violation" -- regarding resource revocation; when the RSA say it can only be done because an applicant committed fraud. "BGP Hijacking, Squatting, etc," are not typically involving fraud, necessarily, against ARIN. [snip] > > But the BGP has at its origin a critical design flaw. Whoever designed it or > was ill-intentioned, or > > assumed that the world would have no borders, would have no economic > geopolitical problems, > > and ISP managers would be a caste of people with unquestionable reputation. [snip] Actually: The hijacking vulnerability is not a _design flaw_ in BGP4. Like IPv4; it was well-suited for all needs that existed at the time of creation, and held together remarkably well during its useful life. BGP4 was more than versatile enough, considering despite how greatly and unexpectedly the internet changed, and, have mostly only the issue of BGP Hijacking --- that is usually limited in scope or quickly mitigated in most cases. The non-functional requirements of the community of internet router operators have simply changed since the time that the BGP protocol was designed and proposed, because of growth and changes in the characteristics of the network interconnections being made, and the increased concerns and demands from users for greater protections from the protocol. Sometimes a protocol simply needs to be redesigned, either because extra requirements accreted over time, and a system bacame laden with extensions, or the system became more complicated than it has to be, or, because the user requirements change and are no longer met, and the useful life of BGP4 might just simply be over, because the environment and basic requirements have changed so much --- that built in anti-forgery measures and resource authorization are now a necessity: that is just the normal course of progress, not design flaw, however. -- -JH _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
