> On 12 Nov 2019, at 10:12, Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think you underestimate the complexity of enterprise networking, and the > relative lack of skill of the folks managing most enterprise networks, > largely due to the fact that they can't enforce at-scale standardization as > consumer networks do (so they can't just hire a small number of software > architects to manage an entire network via automation).
I know one can turn on IPv6 along side IPv4 and gradually move stuff across to supporting both IPv4 and IPv6. I know that HTTP, SMTP and DNS servers have supported IPv6 for over 2 decades. DHCP servers have supported IPv6 nearly as long. I know firewalls have supported IPv6 for over 2 decades now. I know Windows has supported IPv6 since Windows XP. I know Apple, Oracle (Sun), VMS, Linux, … have supported IPv6 as long if not longer. I know turning on IPv6 doesn’t mean turning off IPv4. Most CDN’s support IPv6 these days as well and you don’t have to be running IPv6 in house to project a IPv6 presence on the net. Routers have supported IPv6 for decades as well though not at the $50 mark until recently. Turning on IPv6 isn’t hard even if most it the plant isn’t using it. The front office can definitely use it just like homes use it today. Getting to the state where you are ready to go IPv6-only is hard as it requires every piece of equipment to support IPv6, but don’t confuse the two. > When it comes down to making a decision about whether to implement IPv6, the > decision is usually "build vs. buy" - "build" a new network, new server > infrastructure, etc., vs. "buy" more IPv4 addresses. On residential networks, > they can "build" at a sufficient scale to be cheaper than "buying". On > enterprise networks, the "buy" option is usually cheaper (and far less risky > to the revenue-generating portions of the business). In many cases it is just enable. > There are ways to help change that cost/benefit tradeoff, but they involve > solving hard problems of both the technical and organizational variety. This > policy proposal does nothing to address them. > > -Scott > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 2:36 PM Mark Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually the arrogance of enterprises in not turning on IPv6 is astounding. > > Their customers are being forced to share IP addresses not only between their > own machines but between machines from different customers because they can’t > take the simple step of turning on IPv6 on their servers. No one else can > do that but them. > > The world ran out if IPv4 address in 1995. Stop gaps have kept IPv4 going > since > then and they are getting worse. 20 years to plan to turn on IPv6 and they > still > say they need more time. Thats mega arrogance for you. > > Mark > > > On 8 Nov 2019, at 12:08, Michel Py <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Jordi, > > > >> I'm not sure if this is a love or a war declaration ... below ... > > > > This is war, make no mistake. > > > >> In fact, we should aim, as a community (RIRs, IETF, ICANN), to do as much > >> as we can to start sunseting IPv4 now. > > > > This is why we are at war. In 20 years, you have not yet captured 10% of > > the enterprise market and you are talking about sunset ? > > Your arrogance is mind-boggling. You are fighting for the survival of IPv6. > > You had your shot at it. For 20 years. Now want to kill my ecosystem, I > > will thrown anything I have at yours. No matter how dirty it is. No matter > > how much people will hate me. Not being nice anymore. > > > > Michel. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: [email protected] _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
