You'd think so! But there's some complication because it's a legacy allocation, and thus not (yet) legally under ARIN's control/jurisdiction, or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact details, sorry. I'm sure if I explained it incorrectly-enough someone here will correct me in the near future ;-). -Adam
Adam Thompson Consultant, Infrastructure Services MERLIN 100 - 135 Innovation Drive Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) [email protected] www.merlin.mb.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fernando > Frediani > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 4:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Have we REALLY got to this sad state of disrepair? > > Is it necessary for a third party to have to prove that categorically ? > > My understanding is that it should be enough to send fair amount of > evidences to the RIR and it has the duty to get in touch with that > organization to gather information and if necessary ask them to justify > if the justifications given in the past remain valid (if there is any > response), and if not then simply recover the block, isn't it ? That > should be that natural path for these things to happen. > If a block is abandoned for a long time, there is no response for the > said resources holder then recover it and assign to someone else that > really justify for that now a days. > > Fernando > > On 12/04/2022 18:32, Adam Thompson wrote: > > I would like a mechanism to do this, or something closely related - > nominate blocks we know are orphans. For example, I obtained a legacy > /24 for my employer in the early '90s. That company is no longer in > business. I can guarantee the block isn't (or shouldn't be) in use on the > public internet. I know the owner never sold it, because I was working with > him on that. But I have no way to *prove* its abandonment. So there it > sits, forever inaccessible. I mean, I could squat on it :-) but that's called > "being part of the problem". > > The amount of effort it was going to require on my part and the company > owner's just to get it released back into the free pool, never mind sell it, > was > prohibitive. (I've had this discussion with Cathy(?) @ Member Services > before, getting things notarized in Manitoba is a VERY significant burden, in > time, in travel, and in cost, compared to other jurisdictions.) > > There really ought to be a better solution to that - everyone on this list > > is > probably aware of some zombie/orphan allocations they've been involved > with. > > Within ARIN's current stance/perspective on legal issues (which I've > criticized before, here), though, I don't see any easy fix. > > -Adam > > > > Adam Thompson > > Consultant, Infrastructure Services > > MERLIN > > 100 - 135 Innovation Drive > > Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8 > > (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) > > [email protected] > > www.merlin.mb.ca > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William > >> Herrin > >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 8:55 PM > >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> > >> Cc: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Have we REALLY got to this sad state of > disrepair? > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:00 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> ARIN has been pussyfooting around long enough with these zombie > >>> resources, by now CKN23-ARIN should NEVER appear tied to a number > >>> resource. Please, get on the stick and get these resources freed so > >>> they can be used. > >> Hi Ted, > >> > >> I look forward to your policy proposal in which an IP broker or other > >> interested party can be granted care of a zombie legacy block, perform > >> the legal diligence needed to justify releasing its registration, > >> arrange the proper indemnity for ARIN should they have it wrong, and > >> subsequently arrange its transfer to a new registrant. > >> > >> There are, of course, no non-legacy zombie blocks. The non-legacy > >> blocks unavailable for assignment are in cool-down which is a > >> different thing entirely. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Bill Herrin > >> > >> -- > >> William Herrin > >> [email protected] > >> https://bill.herrin.us/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ARIN-PPML > >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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