Hi

On 15/08/2024 22:02, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
If an organization comes with the technical justification and financial backing sufficient to really need a /16 as their initial allocation, staff shouldn't have anything blocking that.

Then you believe that may still be possible ?

I don't understand the concern to leave things are they are so opened for so distant and near impossible scenario, just because in a very distant theory it can happen. Do some folks find themselves in a future scenario that could be one of the them missing it ? Even in a scenario where a /20 can be justified - which is really a lot even for any big company - what would be the problem, if really needed to get a second /20 in the future ? What is the possible damage to change the policy to restrict in /20 now ? What we, as a community, will lose with that ?

I consider it is better to keep things more realist in this context and therefore I support the proposal.

Fernando


Matthew Kaufman

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 2:34 PM David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> wrote:

    /16 is a reasonable limit; keep the current NRPM. One /16
    allocation in nearly a decade does not concern me. /16 allocations
    were intended to be rare but possible; in fact, I believe the
    policy is functioning as intended. If we see several additional
    /16 allocations in the next couple of years, I could be convinced
    to reconsider my position. But at this point, I think this policy
    is premature.

    Thanks

    On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 2:12 PM Elizabeth Goodson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        Hello PPML,

        As lead shepherd on ARIN-2024-8, I'm reaching out for
        additional feedback from the community on this policy
        following the robust discussion here in June.

        The previous discussion did not come to a clear community
        consensus with opinions falling in multiple categories (in no
        particular order):
        - /20 is a reasonable limit, support the Draft Policy as written
        - /16 is a reasonable limit, keep current NRPM
        - Allow initial allocations above a certain size that are not
        on a nibble boundary (e.g. /19, /18, /17)
        - Add clarification about what designs would not justify a
        certain size initial allocation (e.g. 6RD)

        Questions for the community:
        - Do you support the draft policy as written?
        - If not, can the policy be changed so you would support it?
        What change(s) do you support?
        - Should the community continue to work on the policy or
        abandon it?

        Thanks,
        Liz Goodson

        ===============
        Problem Statement:
        In order to promote aggregation, the NRPM currently allows
        initial allocations up to a /16. However, the entire IPv6
        address space only contains 65536 /16s, and the space
        allocated to IANA for globally routable purposes only contains
        8192 /16s. Therefore, a /16 is a sufficiently large portion of
        the IPv6 address space that the goal of conservation starts to
        outweigh the goal of aggregation.

        Policy Statement:
        6.5.2.1b: Replace "In no case shall an ISP receive more than a
        /16 initial allocation." with "In no case shall a LIR receive
        more than a /20 initial allocation."
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