Hi Anand,
Though RAGA doesn't belong to anybody, it is how U
use the RAGA matters. Each classical legend as his
own unique style of using the RAGAs. So if Saint
Thiagaraja can use a particular raga in a style then
it doesn't necessarily mean that other Muttuswamy
Dixitar has to use the RAGA in the same way.
Basically as somebody pointed out it is just a
template. So somebody uses the same template then it
is a LIFT.
Pavana
--- Anand Bharathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Pavana,
>
> I thought that music based on classical are meant
> to be inspired, not copied. Is anyone creating new
> classical music anymore? then it should not be
> called classical. You have to expand on what you
> mean by "heavily inspired". Please be more specific.
> And we should also remember that if someone sings a
> Saint Thyagaraja composition it doe'nt mean that he
> has copied the song. In a similar vein, if different
> lyrics are sung based on a classical composition
> even if it exactly resembles the original will not
> be a copy in my books. opinions might vary.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pavana Kumar CM
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant
> Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!
>
>
> Hi Karthik,
>
> If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> DITTO
> COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...".
> There
> is a lot of difference between inspiration and
> lift.
> I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard. ARR
> might
> have classical knowledge which I don't deny but
> most
> of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED..
> Another
> one which I remember is "En veettu
> thottathil..." If
> you listen to the original version (which I am
> not
> sure..) is exactly the same.
>
> Rgds,
> Pavana Kumar C.M
>
> --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pavana,
> >
> > I do not appreciate your enthusiasm...because
> it is
> > misdirected...the song
> > that you are referring to here is a famous MS
> > Subbulakshmi song called
> > "Vanaththil meedhu mayil aada kanden mayil
> kuil
> > aachudhadi"...The point is
> > both the songs are based in same raaga Mandu
> and
> > hence the resemblence...The
> > song I guess is written my Paapanasam sivan
> (correct
> > me if I am wrong)...It
> > is quite famous...How can you say ARR copied
> the
> > song when all he did is use
> > the raaga...If you remember seeing TV , there
> was a
> > program in Vijay TV(Old
> > Vijay) when this film was released and Actor
> Rehman
> > was going round the city
> > and meeting people gathering opinion about the
> film
> > and the music...In one
> > instance, he stopped in front of some 3 elders
> > (senior citizens) and asked
> > about the songs..They said that till then they
> had
> > only heard ARR with only
> > electronic sounds and vessel braking noise(one
> > person mentioned it in a
> > lighter vain)...but with sangamam, ARR gave
> some
> > pure classical song with
> > out playing around Ragaas...They specifically
> > mentioned this nithyashree's
> > song and how it satisfied hardcore carnatic
> lovers
> > like them..
> >
> > Just for clarification purpose let me bring in
> IR
> > (here just for
> > example)...many would have heard IR's classic
> called
> > Mogamul...there is a
> > song called "Sollaayo vai thirandhu" in raaga
> > Shanmuga priya..If you listen
> > to that it will be exactly like a replica of
> > "Vilayada idhu nerama" - a
> > famous carnatic song made popular my
> Maharajapuram
> > Santhaanam...I did not
> > see any body claiming it to be a copied
> stuff...ALL
> > we need it is a little
> > bit of common sense and understanding about
> > classical music and its
> > adaptation..Certain raagas can be improvised
> and
> > certain cannot be and hence
> > one has to play it as per the strictures.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies..
> >
> > regards,
> > Karthik
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pavana Kumar CM"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... -
> Blatant Copy
> > of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This song is a direct lift by ARR from
> some
> > > popular carnatic tamil song. I can't
> remember the
> > > song. Both are in Mandu raaga... Actually
> his
> > > classical numbers have a lot of inspiration
> from
> > > popular carnatic keerthanas.
> > >
> > > The song goes like "...mayilaada
> kanden... "
> > It
> > > is so evident especially when you hear the
> 1st
> > > charanam... If somebody can give the name
> of the
> > song
> > > it will be helpful
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> > > Pavana Kumar C.M
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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