Shah Navas, Sorry for the delayed reply. From a purely intuitive level, Thamizha Thamizha didn't strike me as innovatively original, to qualify my use of the term original now. Thee Thee just jumps at you when you listen to it as incredibly new...I mean I haven't heard a single song like that since then..where the base guitar is used to amazing effect...that was that pure daring, rebellious freshness that I was looking for...Dil Se Re perhaps comes closest to that kind of in-your-face creativity. I guess there is an element of high energy that you look for in things like that, and Thamizha Thamizha, though it has energy, is more of a soulful composition than energetic. I would love to have another one like Dil Se or Thee Thee where you just have to stop everything you do and drop your jaws! :)
You are certainly entitled to your opinion; I hope that clarifies my point of view. Good stuff..let's keep expanding. :) Take care, Dasun To: [email protected] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:05:32 +0530 Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original. Dasun, I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. But I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and resumes back the melody. It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of the times). If you see both these songs in this context 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original. On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. --- In [email protected], Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > Thanks.. > > -Avinash > > > > -- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups.com>, Dasun > > Abeysekera <dtdja@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > > peers. > > > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > > understatement. > > > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of > > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in > > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his > > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing > > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > > environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and > > originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, > > let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality > > of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most > > original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is > > still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the > > world where he is not yet legend! > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > > > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
