Just my take. I think we are forgetting one important point here. In any film, the story, script and the screenplay is the king. You can have a huge cast, great music and everything else but if the basic story and screenplay is weak, the film is as good as gone. And screenplay is an area where directors have not worked at all. And that is because they consider the Indian audience to be idiots. The last 3 to 4 years, the projects where ARR has scored music and bombed has all had very weak to non-existent script / screenplay. Just look at the ones which had become hits – Guru, RDB, Ghajini, JA. All had a good story to tell and executed well. Same with Sivaji in Tamil. To me JTJN did not have a great script or screenplay but was still a hit probably due to other feel good factors. This is like a one off case. Looking at the ones which bombed like Dilli 6, Yuvraaj or a MP all marred by poor storytelling and script. Dilli 6 had good potential but its jerky narrative style did not suit our audience.
So what do our ARR do? He sits in story telling sessions with the director and the director comes across as a great story teller in those sessions which inspires him to do great songs. And then the director goes ahead and shoots the songs badly (mostly happens in his Tamil films) and add to it cannot tell the story properly because of a shoddy, disjointed script -great recipe for a dud. I can’t imagine our man sitting and watching these scenes which apparently make no sense whatsoever and expect him to come out with inspiring background score. As ARR once mentioned in a Tamil interview I think. He said something like Shankar who says very little in his story telling sessions but gives a great final product. It shows in all Shankar’s movies. His content may not be anything to rave about but Shankar’s forte is his tight script and screenplay. ARR is left with very little choice. Probably only MR, Shankar and AG are consistent when it comes to both the screenplay and the execution. ROM comes next. The others lack consistency. Blokes like Anthony D’Souza should be avoided like plague. I am already shuddering to think about his supposedly next project with ARR. Especially teaming with another buffoon like Akshay Kumar. So unless directors have a good story to tell and execute it properly to reach the audience this problem is going to plague geniuses like ARR. We really cannot blame ARR if the directors of other supposedly good films have not approached ARR. I think he has stated numerous times that money is not a consideration for the right project. In Hollywood, you have agents scouting around for good projects for their clients. Nothing of that sort exists here. So one has to live with mediocrity till then. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of V S Rawat Sent: 17 October, 2009 1:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR is very weak in selecting projects! What u think? On 10/17/2009 1:17 PM India Time, _balajirajagopal_ wrote: > My personal view is that this is a very "convenient" and unfair > comment to make. Comeon, how many of you sincerely thought that JTYJN > would be a monster hit or that Delhi 6 would be disaster - and that > too when the movie was being made? Can't say about JTYJN. It came out of the blue, no information at all and then music released just like that, along with Ada, soon followed by the movie, so I couldn't get any opinion really made entangled in all that. but, I didn't expect D6 to flop at all. I had thought it would follow RDB success of ROP Mehra, alongwith even more allrounder music by our man in D6 than was in RDB. The OP saying that D6 was to be a flop couldn't be correct. everybody expected it to be a big hit. > It is all a question of how a > director visualises the movie, storyline etc when he talks to ARR. > ARR must obviously have had some faith in the > Director/storyline/Producer when he signed those movies. He cannot be > faulted that they failed. Yaar, when 1-2 movies flop, it could be a change, but when more than half the movies ARR is doing are flopping on box office, there has to be some problem in selection. Of course, ARR is not responsible for the movies going flop, he always giving great music. But, one should sense that there is something wrong in his selection of movies. > Yes...one thing that ARR could look at is > signing the big banners. Having said that even a Yashraj films had a > series of bloopers last year. So, what does he do? He cannot be > insisting that Aamir khan signs him for every film or that Shankar or > Mani Rathinam make a movie every 6 months (And yes...pls do not > forget that notwithstanding of its excellent music, Dil Se, Thiruda > Thiruda or even Iruvar were big flops!! I don't know about Tamil versions of Thiruda Thiruda or Iruvar, but Dil Se getting flop didn't harm anybody really. :-) ha ha. Everybody associated with the film gained a lot of critical and public acclaim for it. Similarly, for Hindi Yuva, it had so much expectations that local cinema halls here have even increased the rates for all classes just for this movie as they said that movie was sold to them at much high cost. Not just multiplex, but even the single screen traditional theatres. And it was the first time in my entire life that I had seen these theatres increasing rates just for one movie. And Yuva no way did even slightly near that expectation on box office. A well made movie flopping on box office hurts only those Ronnie Screwala financers who put moolah in the movie. They don't get returns on investment whereas everybody else gains from such a movie. We still want ARR to work with Deepa Mehta even though none of her films is a superhit. Still, films flopping on account of being badly made (like Mangal Pandey or Blue) is what hurts them. And such movies hurt everybody related with the film, even the MD or background people. That is where the choice of selection comes - Whether the people associated with the movie were wrong in deciding to do it. D6 could be an exception that it was a badly executed movie and so it flopped, but we would still like to see ARR pairing with ROP Mehra. > My request - Pls do a movie with Karan Johar, Aditya Chopra and > Farhan Akhtar. If not nothing else, at least the chances of the movie > being a hit is higher than for the other directors!!! yes, these directors have shown a consistent music sense in their movies, so they should be given some consideration even though some of their movies don't do well on box office or even music didn't do well. What happens in the background dealings is not get known, but one thing that had come out was ARR refusing Om Shanti Om solely because ARR wanted percentage of sales that SRK didn't agree. Well, OSO become a super hit, so ARR not doing it came out as a wrong decision. And why at all he didn't do it? because of money. So sad. ARR is not known for such small things like money, so he should not refuse such promising films like OSO if he doesn't get money, and should not do disasters like blue just because he got lots of money. that's where his decision comes, and such incidences show that his decisions have not always been right. > Cheers, Balaji -- Rawat > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> , > mohammed sajin <mnsa...@...> > wrote: >> >> Blue the last disaster in Boss's account! >> >> It is very much painful to see all these superior works gone ruin. >> How many time this happens!!! >> >> Except with some established directors(or Ameer Khan), AR movies >> could not manage success in both quality-wise and in box-office. >> >> Certainly there is lot of new talented directors in both Hindi and >> Tamil. Unfortunately ARR would not opt them, or viceversa. >> >> >> We don't want anymore movies like BLUE, Yuvvraaj, Sakkarakatti, >> ATM,Kangalal Kaidhu Sei, E20 U18, Godfather, Parasuraam, Anbe >> aaruyire, SOK, etc etc
