Agreed. Can't really blame ARR for this, although I would like to see ARR expand to some better directors with a good track record, like Anurag Kashyap, Farhan Akhtar. ARR is a musical artist first and foremost and he will choose assignments which challenge his creativity.
--- In [email protected], "Anand Bharathan" <an...@...> wrote: > > Just my take. I think we are forgetting one important point here. In any > film, the story, script and the screenplay is the king. You can have a huge > cast, great music and everything else but if the basic story and screenplay > is weak, the film is as good as gone. And screenplay is an area where > directors have not worked at all. And that is because they consider the > Indian audience to be idiots. The last 3 to 4 years, the projects where ARR > has scored music and bombed has all had very weak to non-existent script / > screenplay. Just look at the ones which had become hits â" Guru, RDB, > Ghajini, JA. All had a good story to tell and executed well. Same with > Sivaji in Tamil. To me JTJN did not have a great script or screenplay but was > still a hit probably due to other feel good factors. This is like a one off > case. Looking at the ones which bombed like Dilli 6, Yuvraaj or a MP all > marred by poor storytelling and script. Dilli 6 had good potential but its > jerky narrative style did not suit our audience. > > > > So what do our ARR do? He sits in story telling sessions with the director > and the director comes across as a great story teller in those sessions which > inspires him to do great songs. And then the director goes ahead and shoots > the songs badly (mostly happens in his Tamil films) and add to it cannot tell > the story properly because of a shoddy, disjointed script -great recipe for a > dud. I canât imagine our man sitting and watching these scenes which > apparently make no sense whatsoever and expect him to come out with inspiring > background score. As ARR once mentioned in a Tamil interview I think. He said > something like Shankar who says very little in his story telling sessions but > gives a great final product. It shows in all Shankarâs movies. His content > may not be anything to rave about but Shankarâs forte is his tight script > and screenplay. > > > > ARR is left with very little choice. Probably only MR, Shankar and AG are > consistent when it comes to both the screenplay and the execution. ROM comes > next. The others lack consistency. Blokes like Anthony DâSouza should be > avoided like plague. I am already shuddering to think about his supposedly > next project with ARR. Especially teaming with another buffoon like Akshay > Kumar. So unless directors have a good story to tell and execute it properly > to reach the audience this problem is going to plague geniuses like ARR. > > > > We really cannot blame ARR if the directors of other supposedly good films > have not approached ARR. I think he has stated numerous times that money is > not a consideration for the right project. In Hollywood, you have agents > scouting around for good projects for their clients. Nothing of that sort > exists here. So one has to live with mediocrity till then. > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of V S Rawat > Sent: 17 October, 2009 1:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR is very weak in selecting projects! What u think? > > > > > > On 10/17/2009 1:17 PM India Time, _balajirajagopal_ wrote: > > > My personal view is that this is a very "convenient" and unfair > > comment to make. Comeon, how many of you sincerely thought that JTYJN > > would be a monster hit or that Delhi 6 would be disaster - and that > > too when the movie was being made? > > Can't say about JTYJN. It came out of the blue, no information at all and > then music released just like that, along with Ada, soon followed by the > movie, so I couldn't get any opinion really made entangled in all that. > > but, I didn't expect D6 to flop at all. I had thought it would follow RDB > success of ROP Mehra, alongwith even more allrounder music by our man in D6 > than was in RDB. The OP saying that D6 was to be a flop couldn't be correct. > everybody expected it to be a big hit. > > > It is all a question of how a > > director visualises the movie, storyline etc when he talks to ARR. > > ARR must obviously have had some faith in the > > Director/storyline/Producer when he signed those movies. He cannot be > > faulted that they failed. > > Yaar, when 1-2 movies flop, it could be a change, but when more than half the > movies ARR is doing are flopping on box office, there has to be some problem > in selection. > > Of course, ARR is not responsible for the movies going flop, he always giving > great music. But, one should sense that there is something wrong in his > selection of movies. > > > Yes...one thing that ARR could look at is > > signing the big banners. Having said that even a Yashraj films had a > > series of bloopers last year. So, what does he do? He cannot be > > insisting that Aamir khan signs him for every film or that Shankar or > > Mani Rathinam make a movie every 6 months (And yes...pls do not > > forget that notwithstanding of its excellent music, Dil Se, Thiruda > > Thiruda or even Iruvar were big flops!! > > I don't know about Tamil versions of Thiruda Thiruda or Iruvar, but Dil Se > getting flop didn't harm anybody really. :-) ha ha. Everybody associated with > the film gained a lot of critical and public acclaim for it. > > Similarly, for Hindi Yuva, it had so much expectations that local cinema > halls here have even increased the rates for all classes just for this movie > as they said that movie was sold to them at much high cost. Not just > multiplex, but even the single screen traditional theatres. And it was the > first time in my entire life that I had seen these theatres increasing rates > just for one movie. And Yuva no way did even slightly near that expectation > on box office. > > A well made movie flopping on box office hurts only those Ronnie Screwala > financers who put moolah in the movie. They don't get returns on investment > whereas everybody else gains from such a movie. We still want ARR to work > with Deepa Mehta even though none of her films is a superhit. > > Still, films flopping on account of being badly made (like Mangal Pandey or > Blue) is what hurts them. And such movies hurt everybody related with the > film, even the MD or background people. That is where the choice of selection > comes - Whether the people associated with the movie were wrong in deciding > to do it. > > D6 could be an exception that it was a badly executed movie and so it > flopped, but we would still like to see ARR pairing with ROP Mehra. > > > My request - Pls do a movie with Karan Johar, Aditya Chopra and > > Farhan Akhtar. If not nothing else, at least the chances of the movie > > being a hit is higher than for the other directors!!! > > yes, these directors have shown a consistent music sense in their movies, so > they should be given some consideration even though some of their movies > don't do well on box office or even music didn't do well. > > What happens in the background dealings is not get known, but one thing that > had come out was ARR refusing Om Shanti Om solely because ARR wanted > percentage of sales that SRK didn't agree. Well, OSO become a super hit, so > ARR not doing it came out as a wrong decision. And why at all he didn't do > it? because of money. So sad. ARR is not known for such small things like > money, so he should not refuse such promising films like OSO if he doesn't > get money, and should not do disasters like blue just because he got lots of > money. that's where his decision comes, and such incidences show that his > decisions have not always been right. > > > Cheers, Balaji > > -- > Rawat > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > , mohammed sajin <mnsajin@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Blue the last disaster in Boss's account! > >> > >> It is very much painful to see all these superior works gone ruin. > >> How many time this happens!!! > >> > >> Except with some established directors(or Ameer Khan), AR movies > >> could not manage success in both quality-wise and in box-office. > >> > >> Certainly there is lot of new talented directors in both Hindi and > >> Tamil. Unfortunately ARR would not opt them, or viceversa. > >> > >> > >> We don't want anymore movies like BLUE, Yuvvraaj, Sakkarakatti, > >> ATM,Kangalal Kaidhu Sei, E20 U18, Godfather, Parasuraam, Anbe > >> aaruyire, SOK, etc etc >
