Yes.  Funny you say that--my colleague and I were just commenting on
that fact last week.  True Remedy developers are a dying breed...

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Anyone working with ITSM is no longer considered a developer - now they 
are a "configurator."

drew

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Kaiser Norm E CIV USAF 96 CS/SCCE 
wrote:

> I tend to agree both with Gary and with Rabi.  Remedy has completely
> gotten away from its original premise--Rapid Application Development
> that can be done by non-Software Engineers.  Now BMC is using its
> "simple" point and click development tool to build "enterprise
> management suites" that cause the developer to do the clickety-click
> clickety-click clickety-click that Rabi described.  ITSM 7 is so
> monstrous, it's impossible to reverse engineer, which was, at one
point
> in time, one of Remedy's hallmarks.
>
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> Subject: Re: How you you guys analyze ITSM 7 code? Dev Plus? Master AR
> Suite? No logging doesn't count.
>
> I think that ITSM 7 was purposefully designed this way, you know,
> security through obscurity? If they make it so complicated that no one
> will dare go near it, then the don't have as many support calls from
> people breaking it.
>
> Plus, this works well for the consultants, who are very well trained
and
> tailored specifically for ITSM, unlike a lot of the full-timers who
have
> other things than ITSM to worry about.
>
> I've not really gotten to look at ITSM, but just by reading the buzz
on
> the list, it sounds like they really did a spectacular job at building
a
> bird's nest. I wonder how they were able to make it so complicated and
> get it to work (sort of)?
>
> I'm sure that one of these days, I'll most likely have the privilege
(!)
> of working with ITSM. I just hope that by then someone would have made
> an "ITSM 7 for Dummies" book!
>
> Some consulting company out there really should do that, but that
might
> end up costing them some business.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Gary Opela, Jr
>
> Sr. Remedy Developer
>
> Leader Communications, Inc.
>
> 405 736 3211
>
>
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