But it's nothing to sweat. What kind of support did anyone ever received for the 5.x apps anyway? With the 5.x apps, most everything is workflow, so support is really only required when there is a defect in the binary parts of the product.
Axton Grams On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Timothy Powell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Correct. The ARS might be 7.x, but if the apps are 5.6, you're off the > support matrix for that app. > > TP > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wheeler, Dylan > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: HelpDesk Lite (was: Company Dropping Remedy) > > I haven't looked at it yet because I have too much on my plate right now > as it is, but is it not possible to upgrade to 7.x ARS and keep the > existing HPD system? Or are you talking about falling off App as well as > ARS support? > > ------------- > > Dylan Wheeler > Production Control Analyst Principal > IT Operations > Downey Savings & Loan Association, F.A. > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Decou, Candace M > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: HelpDesk Lite (was: Company Dropping Remedy) > > > LOL - No Carey, but I do support another company which is a small/mid > size client. Been with them for years now really and just provide > part-time (evening/weekend) as needed support (and > upgrades/customizations when necessary). > > I so agree with what you are saying too and maybe you are right - maybe > it's time for me to look for a 5.6 Help Desk 3rd party type of > replacement for them, or build something from scratch. I'm petty darn > sure that they can upgrade to 7.x ARS for all their custom applications, > it's only the Help Desk piece I am concerned with for them. The really > good news is that this client has managed to build applications > supporting tech support, training, test centers, engineering, RMA and > customer facing interfaces all using older ARS technology, all of which > have migrated beautifully along the normal ARS upgrade paths (currently > at 6x). Then we slapped Help Desk on top of all that a few years ago > and everything is relatively flawless. They just don't want to fall off > of support and I have a heck of a time trying to see that an upgrade on > the Help Desk side is to their benefit given the huge overhead of what > it is vs. what they need. > > > Candace DeCou > > DOI Remedy Systems Analyst > Verizon Business > Office: (408) 371-1112 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Verizon Business - global capability, personal accountability. > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for use by the > addressee unless otherwise indicated > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: HelpDesk Lite (was: Company Dropping Remedy) > > Candace, > > So does BMC consider Verizon to be a Small to Medium company? :) Just > kidding. > > > I think the point is that the BMC OOB applications are not targeted > toward that market. > > However, there are other partners (and non partners) that offer > applications built on ARS for any market for a given task. > > I do not know why BMC would expect any existing ARS customer to want to > "move away" from what they already have/know to something that is (even > in the words of the vendor selling both products) "less" > powerful/robust? And then maybe move back to the product they left "when > their needs grow enough to warrant that power/robustness". > > However, we can only buy what they have to sell. If it does not satisfy, > then we have no other choice but to look for something that will > satisfy. With ARS we can either buy an application from another company > or build it yourself. (At least there are options.) I wonder if there > are any other companies out there that could sell you a "Magic based" > application to do Process "X" for your company? > > If BMC does not fill the application need, then I would suggest that ARS > customers turn to other vendors that are filling the need for them. > Maybe it will still be ARS based, maybe not. But that is the "risk" that > BMC takes when they provide no other options to their customers. > (Switching from ARS to Magic or ARS to Oracle Applications may require > the same amount of effort. The customer should consider all options.) I > am sure BMC is aware of this condition. Obviously some existing > (affected) customers will not like the options they have been given. [ > Pay more(ITSM v7), or do more work(switch platforms) and get less] > > > In short.. I think BMC is targeting "new" customers and mostly "BIG" > customers at that. So the existing and/or smaller customers "get the > leftovers" and may decide that what BMC has to offer is no longer "good > enough" for them. > > > Customer: > Vote with your money. > They will listen, or they will fade away into the distance with their > head in the sand as you move your business to greener pastures. > > -- > Carey Matthew Black > Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP) > ARS = Action Request System(Remedy) > > Love, then teach > Solution = People + Process + Tools > Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two. > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Decou, Candace M > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ** > > > > And if it is Magic based and not ARS based, does that mean an entirely > > > new implementation for my small size client who needs to upgrade from > > Help Desk 5.6? In other words, no upgrade path from where we are to > > where we need to go? What will happen to the other 8 or 9 custom > > applications currently co-residing with the Help Desk app on the same > AR server? > > I agree with Daniel - we want and need a Remedy based trimmed down > > version of Help Desk. Call it lite or low-caloric...I don't care. I > > just know some of us need it badly. > > Help!! Please - and thanks for listening. > > :) > > > > > > > > Candace DeCou > > > > DOI Remedy Systems Analyst > > Verizon Business > > Office: (408) 371-1112 > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Verizon Business - global capability, personal accountability. > > > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for use by the > > addressee unless otherwise indicated > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum > Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum > Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" > > > This message and any attachments are for the intended recipient(s) only > and > may contain privileged, confidential and/or proprietary information about > Downey Savings or its customers, which Downey Savings does not intend to > disclose to the public. 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