Back when I was hired at Amazon, we had a new employee introduction session for the new employees of the week. Jeff Bezos was there and the first thing that he told us was: "Forget the job description in the posting that you were hired for. Your job is nothing like that."
I replied, "That's ok, because I'm not the person in my resume, either." Juan Ingles On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Kaiser, Norm E CIV USAF AFMC 96 CS/SCOKT < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes, and just hope you *can* become that person who does the job. Hope > you don't get in over your head! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy Administrator and a > Remedy Developer? > > ** > > I heard an excellent quote the other day. I don't remember the exact > wording, but I'll try not to mangle it too horribly: "Take the job, then > become the person who does that job." > > > > Think of it as boundless OPPORTUNITIES for career growth! > > > > Jennifer Meyer > > **snicker** > > ________________________________ > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Cook > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy Administrator and a > Remedy Developer? > > > > Well, I don't mind all-inclusive so much, as it gives employers the > ability to estimate budget impact. Its expecting that $70/hr will pay a > reasonable rate to the contractor after those expenses are covered. Not > that it is a very good rate by itself. And they wonder why some of those > stay open for so long? You get what you pay for. Good, Fast, Cheap. Pick > any TWO. > > Rick > > ________________________________ > > From: "Thomas J. Mutaffis" > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:37:08 -0400 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy Administrator and a > Remedy Developer? > > Exactly Rick. In the past 5 or 6 years two things have happened. First > you need to be qualified in two to five skills sets or what might be > "stand-alone" skills and the horrible word "all-inclusive." > > > > I do wonder how the folks here deal with the "all-inclusive" aspect? For > me it's almost not worth looking for anything that is not local. If > travel and lodging is required you must go on the high side to > financially protect yourself against price increases, travel during > holidays or other situations that could effect all aspects of travel. > One could easily find themselves working for $25 to $45 an hour on a > $70/hr rate and calculated travel cost to increase this to something > like $95 - $105 if you don't protect yourself against the things causing > blips in travel expense. Hence you need to average in a certain amount > after doing your research regarding renting a car, hotel, cheap food and > airfare. However, if you do this you've immediately put yourself out of > the game. I typically tell recruiters using this method to find someone > local since it's nearly impossible to be competitive. > > > > So how do you folks handle the "all-inclusive" aspect when you know that > travel will be involved with a contract your considering? > > > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Cook <mailto:[email protected]> > > Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:08 AM > > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy > Administrator and a Remedy Developer? > > > > ** That's nothing. Look at the open positions on Monster wanting > someone who is both a Remedy guru AND Java/Perl scripting SDE. For > $70/hr on contract. Look up delusional in the dictionary and you will > see that req listed. > > Rick > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "Thomas J. Mutaffis" > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:13:34 -0400 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy > Administrator and a Remedy Developer? > > Here's one for all of you to figure out. What are they actually > seeking in whom they hire? Maybe superman? > > > > Minimum Required Skills: > remedy, BMC Remedy, ITSM, BMDS, C2BMC, ITIL, sql server, sql, > database development, Missile Defense, SME, Subject Matter Expert, > Secret Clearance, DOD, TS/SCI, TS, SC, Remedy Engineer, Remedy > Programmer, Remedy Developer, Software Engineer, Database Engineer, > Database Developer > > > > Here is the reward for being the requirement for about 4 or 5 > people. > > > > Location..: Washington, DC > > Tax Term: FULLTIME > > Payrate...: $100,000 - $140,000 > > Length....: Full-time, Employee > > > > Confusing? > > > > > > "Meyer, Jennifer L" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:2463ce9eee8c19409070f859f8f46fe53c5f06f...@ncwitmxmbev36.ad.ncmail. > .. > > That's ok, Shawn. I'm asking because I'm genuinely confused and > trying to figure it out. > > Jennifer Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy > Administrator and a Remedy Developer? > > Actually I see things in the reverse of how you stated them as > well. > > Having worked professionally doing system administration work as > well as software development (including but not limited to ARS) I see > system administrators and DBAs being more easily replaceable than > software developers. Sure, developers may not always have > root/Administrator access, but their job is much more complex than > performing administration duties. > > You can also look at it from the amount of damage a person can > do. If you are an incompetent system administrator, your system might > run slowly or even crash and have to be replaced. If you are an > incompetent developer, your bad code could affect a company for the five > years or so that your app is used, and even beyond if the data is > migrated into the application that replaces yours. > > Of course, a good system administrator is capable of doing some > coding, and a good developer is knowledgeable of hardware, DB, and OS > limitations. You can't master either role if you stay within strict > confines of your job description. > > Shawn Pierson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What's the difference between a Remedy > Administrator and a Remedy Developer? > > So would it be accurate to understand from the majority of your > responses that in Remedy, the terms "administrator" and "developer" are > bass-ackward from the rest of the IT world in that a Remedy > administrator handles data configuration in the user tool, whereas a > Remedy developer is responsible for application performance, > maintenance, and improvements? > > As I understand the rest of the IT world, Administrators have > Root, and therefore god-like powers, whereas developers are just a bunch > of code-monkeys who will be replaced by a fresh college graduate the > moment management deems their salaries are too high. > > If my summary above is correct, there are a lot of hiring > managers out there that are confused. Since my job duties have always > included everything from server build and application installation to > user training and my title has always been "Remedy Administrator" Jr, > Sr, Consultant, etc..., I think we need a better system. > > Jennifer Meyer > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum > Sponsor:[email protected]<sponsor%[email protected]>ARSlist: > "Where the > Answers Are" > > Private and confidential as detailed here: > http://www.sug.com/disclaimers/default.htm#Mail . 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