David, Thanks for this, I'll definitely give Mendix a look.
I know there are lots of other Rapid development tools out there, but My point with this was that Remedy, as a 4GL, is flexible, powerful and limited - all at the same time, but the way it does things have certain merit to it and is not fair to expect ARS to give everything the 3GL world offers and in the same way, as it has it's niche area where it sits with its own set of real benefits in spite of certain limitations. Best Regards, Theo -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Sanders Sent: 13 January 2012 15:23 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications Theo ARS is not the only rapid development platform. For example, take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUb_4XqHcw&feature=player_embedded This is Mendix (http://www.mendix.com) which is an example of the new breed of agile development tools. Source control, yes; PaaS, yes; SaaS, yes; Cloud or On-site deployment, yes... etc. Windows, Linux, yes; migrate between platforms, yes; proper permissions modelling, yes; scalable, yes ... I'm a good Remedy developer, but I can develop apps 2 or 3 times as quickly on this platform as I can in Remedy. We have a full ITSM suite written in both ARS and in Mendix - virtually identical functionality. Some things are easier in ARS, many more are easier in Mendix, and one of the things I really like about Mendix is that it has a fully-normalized data structure. Not scripts for workflow, but visual modeling, but with full version control. There are other platforms out there too - so if what you want is rapid and agile development tools, take a broader view of what's available in the Market, it's not just 3GLs Regards David Sanders Solution Architect Enterprise Service Suite @ Work ========================== tel +44 1494 468980 mobile +44 7710 377761 email [email protected] web http://www.e-servicesuite.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Theo Fondse Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Overlay and Applications John, Firstly, the 3/4 GL differentiation is important to appreciate in this regard, and therefore, relevant. The Action Request System platform *IS* a 4GL and as such it is not fair to do direct comparisons to functionality or ways of working that we find in 3GL environments such as Java, C, VB or even .Net. ARS allows someone with no programming background whatsoever, to create working, usable applications within a matter of hours. No 3GL does that. ARS just sits in a different niche of the market. Secondly, my open challenge still stands to any 3GL platform to develop a working functional and customisable client/server workflow application from scratch, in less time than with ARS, that (to name only a few) a) can run on Windows, Linux and Unix and be migrated between all these within a matter of minutes b) has a native and web front-end capable of Query-by-Example or advanced search criteria c) is capable of full customisable application and data permission structures d) is capable of handling more than 200K records in all tables (meaning integration to a mainstream RDBMS and not using ODBC) e) is integrateable to other systems using an open API amongst about 19 (or more) other mechanisms. Even Java can try with EJB's... _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
