>So why does not GoI do something about it, instead of acting like
deer caught in the headlights, staring and frozen, unable to decide what
to do?
I told you GOI is not a person to have its own
mind to decide or act or do something. Whatever the policy says, the
beaurocrates will do on its own pace. What is the hurry brother? And
they don't mind the staring at the headlights as long as they are getting
their share. Nobody minds in India. It is a live and let live
policy. (Dada Mosai, amar joinye kisu hoben naki, ki sarata apniei nie
jassen? Amitw bolsi, ajkal tw pura kolir kal solese, baba kolir kal. Din kal
ki hoese!)
As the Singer Laureate sings:
"We are in the same boat brother
If you tip the one you rock the
other
We are in the same boat
brother...."
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:42
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN
home in old Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
At 10:28 PM +0100 10/20/05, umesh sharma wrote:
If possible I would like some details about
any special controls being thrust on NE by GOI which are not thrust upon
South or North India.
*** Quite beside the point.
Assam is not Bihar, is not Tamil Nadu.
Umesh
C-da wrote:
"This has been one of the most widely
discussed arguments FOR coming to a negotiated solution with devolution of
central controls, so that the local govts. can be held accountable. But GoI,
predictably, has remained paralyzed for ever, unable to release the grip,
while it bleeds."
Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
O' Rajen:
>More the insurgency (or
the impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor Phwsphwsoni
>without actually biting)
I am sure you have heard the 'fokora', "xaap hoiw khwte', bez
hoiw' jaare"? You are giving a fine example of that by taunting the
insurgents.
Such taunting ,incidentally, is not isolated to clueless Assam
Netters,
but is also widespread in the desi media, such as the
Sentinel, the AT, Statesman, Indian Express etc., as well as among
'security analysts' and 'analysts' with Institutes of Conflict
Perpetuation. It is not a reaction of sincere people seeking a resolution
of the conflict, but of immature
commentators and analyst-wannabe-s feelings of being ignored,
of being left out of the process.
>The strong rumor is that
the Government money is being split into 60-40 % deal, and people >get
their share without working. Smart Dadas, Politicians, Bureaucrates,
the Militants, the >Military personal - all in the same boat. One hear
stories of govt employee not getting salaries >for 3 years. Don't
worry. Just buy a couple of Maruties whaile waiting for your
salary.
*** That is a rumor?
Boy, I tell ya! Some people cannot see what sits on their
faces. That is for sure.
So why does not GoI do something about it, instead of acting
like deer caught in the headlights, staring and frozen, unable to
decide what to do?
This has been one of the most widely discussed arguments FOR
coming to a negotiated solution with devolution of central controls, so
that the local govts. can be held accountable. But GoI, predictably, has
remained paralyzed for ever, unable to release the grip, while it
bleeds.
At 3:35 PM -0500 10/20/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>Where have these funds gone? Into
the pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside
>the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no matter how
much they declaim their independence of it they are sustained by funds
that come from the >Centre to the state.
This seems to the story of
the street. What is left out in the report is the Indian Military who
are also in the game taking a piece of the pie. More the insurgency (or
the impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor Phwsphwsoni
without actually biting) more is the money to the North East from the
Center. The strong rumor is that the Government money is being split
into 60-40 % deal, and people get their share without working.
Smart Dadas, Politicians, Bureaucrates, the Militants, the Military
personal - all in the same boat. One hear stories of govt employee not
getting salaries for 3 years. Don't worry. Just buy a couple of Maruties
whaile waiting for your salary.
So the moral in the North
East is:
Why
Work?
Why we need
Industry?
Why we need to stop the
insurgency, the golden hen, which is feeding all these people and
making it easier to squeeze more out of the GOI. And the newly rich
GOI mother is in a giving mode. All you need to prove is that you are a
minority.
India in general and Assam
in particular is a land which is being controlled by the minorities
today.
I say Hobo
Diok.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh
sharma
To: Bartta Bistar ; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:56
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN home in
old Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
Very interesting - about corruption in NE!! from your
article below
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
"In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies has been
consistently woven under the façade of planning and development to
garner more Central funds. Where have these funds gone? Into the
pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside
the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no matter how
much they declaim their independence of it they are sustained by
funds that come from the Centre to the state. This is true not just of
Nagaland but also of Manipur. And it has been going on for decades.
But let us return to the question of the number of people. In this
horrendous exercise of deception, in which villagers themselves were
involved by inflating the numbers, hoping, as they told researchers
and scholars, for more funds from the state, for more MLAs who would
gift them more schemes and funds, the Centre cannot escape
responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What on
earth has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified members,
advisers and officials in charge of the North-east been doing all
these years? Have they asked questions to the state government or are
they just blindly following the data trotted out to them? The data
from the states in the North-east, as one has found from years of
field work, is not merely inconsistent with the facts, to put it
mildly, it is grossly misleading and inaccurate.
"
Bartta Bistar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Naga talks: Assam, Manipur Arunachal to be
involved
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=80364
SUDHI RANJAN
SEN
Posted online: Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 0016
hours IST
NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 19: The centre will
approach Assam, Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh to discuss integration
of Naga-inhabited areas. The move comes after the Naga leadership
agreed to go step by step in reaching a solution. Oscar
Fernandes, who represented the Centre in the recent talks on the
issue with NSCN (I-M) in Bangkok is back after holding five
meetings. Involving the three states was likely to come up when he
briefs PM Manmohan Singh on the talks.
The
government feels that the Nagas agreeing to go step by step,
ought to be reciprocated, sources said, adding the government wants
to involve the people and the political leadership of the three
states to get the view of these states on the Naga issue. It is also
likely to reduce growing pressure on the Naga leadership from cadres
to take the process further and show results. The key point in the
30-p! oint proposal submitted by the Naga leadership earlier is a
special federal relationship proposed with India, on which the NCSN
(I-M) will prepare an unofficial paper. Though the purpose of
this unofficial paper is not immediately clear, it is understood
that the Centre wants the NSCN (I-M) to spell out the special status
it has been demanding. The Nagas found unacceptable, the earlier
offer of autonomy on the lines of J-K. Naga sources said the special
federal relationship is based on the distinct political and
territorial identity of the Nagas. They want the special
relationship sealed through an agreement that cannot be changed
unilaterally by either side. The sources said that they were
willing to share functions and responsibilities with India in
such a way that the interests of both were addressed. The unofficial
paper, it is understood, would be discussed in the next round of
talks in Bangkok in November.
NSCN no to Oscar
planhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1051020/asp/guwahati/story_5375478.asp
NISHIT
DHOLABHAI
Dimapur, Oct. 19: The NSCN (I-M) today thumbed down
Union minister Oscar Fernandezs suggestion that the Naga impasse
could be ended with an interim solution even as the dialogue for a
final settlement continued. The insurgent groups kilo kilonser
(home minister), Rh. Raising, said Delhi had not even discussed the
possibility of an interim arrangement with his organisation, leave
alone work towards it.It may be one among many formulas for
consideration, but we are looking for a lasting final solution, a
decision on which will be taken by the collective leadership (Isak
Chishi Swu and Th. Muivah), he said.Fernandez, the Union minister
of state for statistics and programme implementation and leader of
the ministerial group negotiating with the NSCN (I-M), said in
Kohima yesterday that an interim solution to the Naga issue was
possible, i! f agreed to by the outfit. But Raising remained
non-committal on whether his organisation would at all consider such
an option if Delhi raised it at the next round of formal talks.The
insurgent leader met Fernandez away from the prying eyes of the
media and declined to disclose whether the minister mentioned any
such proposal.It was a private chit-chat, nothing for public
consumption, he told The Telegraph. Raising said the Naga peace
talks, which have weathered several storms along the way, were being
held on an even keel and both India and the Nagas must continue to
respect one anothers point of view on key issues. The NSCN (I-M)
kilo kilonsers meeting with Fernandez was ostensibly arranged at
the eleventh hour. Just before leaving a government accommodation
for Dimapur airport, the Union minister received feelers from the
insurgent leader to arrange for a tête-à-tête. His flight to
Calcutta was delayed by over an hour, allowing him the opportunity
to oblige Raising.Raising! sounded a note of warning, too. He said
the insurgent group was committed to the peace process, but would
not take things lying down if it did not progress in the right
direction. The next round of talks is slated for December, probably
before Christmas. The NSCN (I-M) leader, however, declined to hazard
a guess about any Christmas gift to the impasse-weary Naga
community. Fernandez told the media that the Naga issue was five
decades old, but the UPA government in Delhi had dealt with it for
only nine months. He said the three states, Manipur, Assam and
Arunachal Pradesh, opposed to the campaign for integration of
Naga-inhabited areas of the Northeast were yet to have extensive
discussions with Delhi.
A question of numbers: How many people in Nagaland?
by SANJOY
HAZARIKA
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
The
2001 census of the state of Nagaland says that it has a population
of 19 lakh or 1.9 million. The government there has not yet accepted
or rejected the findings. But the question of how many people
actually live in Nagaland is a major and sensitive issue.
The
fact of the matter, according to senior government officials,
researchers and non-government groups, is that the actual population
is not more than 14 lakh or 1.4 million, or five lakh less than the
projected figure. This is a staggering indictment of the census
process in the state and raises fundamental questions about the
basis of planning and governance there. According to researchers who
have trekked t! o remote villages and hamlets, battling bad weather,
poor roads and tough terrain, even figures given in the 1991 census
are vastly incorrect.
In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies
has been consistently woven under the façade of planning and
development to garner more Central funds. Where have these funds
gone? Into the pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of
the state, including the militant elite. The militant elite is no
longer outside the parameters of the state: it is part of the state,
no matter how much they declaim their independence of it they are
sustained by funds that come from the Centre to the state. This is
true not just of Nagaland but also of Manipur. And it has been going
on for decades. But let us return to the question of the number of
people. In this horrendous exercise of deception, in which villagers
themselves were involved by inflating the numbers, hoping, as they
told researchers and scholars, for more funds from the state, for
more ML! As who would gift them more schemes and funds, the Centre
cannot escape responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What on
earth has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified members,
advisers and officials in charge of the North-east been doing all
these years? Have they asked questions to the state government or
are they just blindly following the data trotted out to them? The
data from the states in the North-east, as one has found from years
of field work, is not merely inconsistent with the facts, to put it
mildly, it is grossly misleading and inaccurate.
What about the
ministry of development for the North-east, which is supposed to be
the nodal development and funds accruer (thanks to the 10 per cent
allocation that each ministry, barring just two or three, is
supposed to slice out of its annual budget and hand over to DoNER
unless it has its own projects in the region where it apportions the
money)? Has it also asked questions of the gove! rnment in Nagaland
or is it happy merely to let things be and not ruffle feathers. How
can development take place on the basis of two sets of population
figures? Forget about planning for five years or developing a vision
plan down the road: how can any planning take place for even one
year if the facts are so skewed?
Take the example of Jami village
in Mokokchung district: it returned 197 households in the 1991,
repeat 1991, census. Researchers who went there a few weeks ago
counted 27, repeat 27, households. These questions must be faced.
The state government of chief minister Neiphiu Rio needs to give
some straight answers. The Governor, Shyamal Dutta, one of the most
upright leaders of the police before his retirement, should gently
nudge the state government to the straight and narrow path. The
Planning Commission, especially the member in charge of the
North-east, BS Yuganthar, another respected figure in the
bureaucracy, and his team have some fact-finding and soul-searchin!
g to do. So does the Ministry of DoNER.
How could something so
obvious have gone wrong so blatantly? Where are the state and the
Centres checks and balances? These are issues of public interest
and lie in the public domain. The right to information also has come
into place and it is a good thing that the Nagaland government has
appointed a committee, for the time being, to oversee the initial
stages. Answers can be sought through the RTI and the courts if the
responses are dissatisfactory.
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