C'da
*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of modern
history?
Would you like to explain?
Let me try!
First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered "revolionaries". A revolution
(Like the French etc) are a mass-scale uprising of some sort against an
establishment. The ulfa (as some would like to elevate) is nowhere close to
that lable
So, in that context, modern revolutions have always been about "protecting
the masses" against tyrants. In the Assam context, can you give some stark
examples where such a thing has happened? And yes, C'da why is these
"home-grown" revoltionaries hell bent on killing and looting from Assamese
people (and don't forget Dhemaji) - now there was a great example of your
revolutionaries giving up blood & treasure (of course, it matters little
that blood spilled was not theirs).
I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't you?
Assuming that was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram
or JS, in the position of those ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play
STUPID and get arrested or get erased in some encounter, real or fake? Is
this some kind of a question to make the ULFA leaders look like 'cowards'?
If it is, do you think it is working?
If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and making war plans/strategic
plans against the big, bad ogre called India, it may have
carried some semblence of resptability - but to hole up elsewhere, goad/egg
other to the battles, and all the while amass huge personal wealth, (as
reported by the US think tank - Stratfor. com), getting help from BD intel
and ISI (who will just as easily slit an Assamese throat as they would an
"Indian") is beyond me.
So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a strategic plan - could
have knocked me out with a feather! How could I have missed that
First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it that India
and Indians claim >ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
I am just trying here - don't know exactly what JS meant.
Why is this a contradiction - the leaders stay in BD - making the big war
plans, while the "low-level" cadres do the dirty job in Assam.
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and
dying for a cause.
You may not agree with their cause.
We have all been hearing about this big cause for a long time. Then why is
that the whole of Assam have NOT joined
and or signed on the dotted line? Do you know why?
That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent
CONFLICT.
Whew! Now that somehow makes us all feel better. Of course, all the people
of Assam gave the green signal for ULFA to go violent and now it (the ulfa)
acts as the sole torch bearer for God & country.
One question, if these 'revs' are NOT even able to fight from their home
base (that they are forced to go to another country to do so), what odds do
you, as a pragmatist, give them for any kind of win?
Even the country these people take refuge in (BD) is not able to take on the
bad boy on the block (India) what are the chances for the "revs". Do you
think perhaps, that there is no fun for them to end this 'insurgency
Kamadhenu'. Whatever will they do if this all ends - Work for a living? Good
grief ! :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
Just out of curiosity:
>Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of
modern history? Would you like to explain?
>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
>creating economic and social disorder in our state?
*** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my caliber
would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the point , allow me to
take a shot ( pun intended):
First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it
that India and Indians claim
ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't
you? Assuming that
was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram or JS,
in the position of those
ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or
get erased in some
encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question to make
the ULFA leaders look
like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And dumber
expectation.
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
>people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting and
dying for a cause. You may not agree with their cause. That is how it works
in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent CONFLICT. One side does
not agree with the other and neither siude is asbout to play dead. Under the
circumstances, expecting an antagonist here to play NEUTRAL ( or UNBIASED to
echo the favorite kharkhowa/desi terminology) demonstrates an absence of an
ability to reason like an adult with ordinary intelligence. But I have
trouble believing that about JS and I know you do not fit that mold. So
what is the explanation Ram?
Anyone expecting an answer to questions like that would merely be
demonstrating their living in denial, unable to accept the widely prevalent
and discernible truths that surround them like so nmany Indians seem to do.
I hate to see you act so disoriented a desi, Ram :-)
c-da
At 1:00 PM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
>Why would anyone want to go pick a fight with someone who would
proclaim "---
There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address this utter
frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor wrong' crowd. The
recommendations from JS may be strong, but there is a lot of truth in what
he says about the unstable situation in the state created by ULFA - and the
fact that the state (as it is overburdened with other problems) is now
having face the "insurgency" problem.
Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the questions like JS
asks/comments:
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
These and other questions have been asked before - and we have YET to
receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds is really NOT a
solution. Why can't someone just answer to the questions.
-Ram
On 5/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of
SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge. Why would anyone want to go pick a
fight with someone who would proclaim "---The only solution left, I
believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their sympathizers
behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian who would put a man on
the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those who do not agree with him be
banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?
c-da
At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hehehe C'da,
I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an extreme
outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many of the younger
generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you have for them - or do
you think their feelings ought to just brushed aside?
>But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS in >his
place :) :).
C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other court.
People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see what happens.
At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs it - I have a
feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.
>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, ?are
all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would >have been
no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.
>instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers, who
will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in Denmark:),
and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no sympathazer. I would
expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even if they circle the wagons and
make it muddier:)
JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07,* Chan Mahanta* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ram:
Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
recommendations and conclusions.
Good that Sharma is letting off steam. But as an informed and experienced
NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma the profound flaws
in his line of thinking, even though I know you are unable to free your own
thought processes entirely from a blind devotion to the derelict Indian
state :-).
If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be, are all
it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would have been no
problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
So, what is missing?
Don't you think* you*, as someone more knowledgeable, and more experienced
than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help him see things in a
more mature light; instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA
sympathizers, who will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
c-da
At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward post, if
there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome that fresh air of
audacity :)
There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this forum
too. I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so will wait to
see waht they write.
--Ram
On 5/14/07,* Jyotirmoy Sharma* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.
Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.
Jyotirmoy
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