C'da
>*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance
of modern history?
>Would you like to explain?
Let me try!
First of, the ulfa cannot really be considered "revolionaries". A
revolution (Like the French etc) are a mass-scale uprising of some
sort against an establishment. The ulfa (as some would like to
elevate) is nowhere close to that lable
So, in that context, modern revolutions have always been about
"protecting the masses" against tyrants. In the Assam context, can
you give some stark examples where such a thing has happened? And
yes, C'da why is these "home-grown" revoltionaries hell bent on
killing and looting from Assamese people (and don't forget
Dhemaji) - now there was a great example of your revolutionaries
giving up blood & treasure (of course, it matters little that
blood spilled was not theirs).
> I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders, didn't
you? Assuming that was what it was, let me ask you this: If it
were you, Ram >or JS, in the position of those ULFA leaders, what
would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested or get erased in some
encounter, real or fake? Is >this some kind of a question to make
the ULFA leaders look like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it
is working?
If the 'leaders' were holed up in B'desh and making war plans/
strategic plans against the big, bad ogre called India, it may
have carried some semblence of resptability - but to hole up
elsewhere, goad/egg other to the battles, and all the while amass
huge personal wealth, (as reported by the US think tank -
Stratfor. com), getting help from BD intel and ISI (who will just
as easily slit an Assamese throat as they would an "Indian") is
beyond me.
So, now this "holing up" in Bangladesh is really a strategic plan
- could have knocked me out with a feather! How could I have
missed that
>First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is it
that India and Indians claim
>ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
I am just trying here - don't know exactly what JS meant.
Why is this a contradiction - the leaders stay in BD - making the
big war plans, while the "low-level" cadres do the dirty job in
Assam.
>*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people
fighting and dying for a cause.
>You may not agree with their cause.
We have all been hearing about this big cause for a long time.
Then why is that the whole of Assam have NOT joined
and or signed on the dotted line? Do you know why?
>That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a
violent CONFLICT.
Whew! Now that somehow makes us all feel better. Of course, all
the people of Assam gave the green signal for ULFA to go violent
and now it (the ulfa) acts as the sole torch bearer for God &
country.
One question, if these 'revs' are NOT even able to fight from
their home base (that they are forced to go to another country to
do so), what odds do you, as a pragmatist, give them for any kind
of win?
Even the country these people take refuge in (BD) is not able to
take on the bad boy on the block (India) what are the chances for
the "revs". Do you think perhaps, that there is no fun for them to
end this 'insurgency Kamadhenu'. Whatever will they do if this all
ends - Work for a living? Good grief ! :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
Just out of curiosity:
>Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for
peace,
*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance
of modern history? Would you like to explain?
>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of
which is
>creating economic and social disorder in our state?
*** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my
caliber would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the
point , allow me to take a shot ( pun intended):
First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why
is it that India and Indians claim
ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders,
didn't you? Assuming that
was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram
or JS, in the position of those
ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get
arrested or get erased in some
encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question
to make the ULFA leaders look
like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And
dumber expectation.
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
>people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people
fighting and dying for a cause. You may not agree with their
cause. That is how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it
is a violent CONFLICT. One side does not agree with the other and
neither siude is asbout to play dead. Under the circumstances,
expecting an antagonist here to play NEUTRAL ( or UNBIASED to echo
the favorite kharkhowa/desi terminology) demonstrates an absence
of an ability to reason like an adult with ordinary intelligence.
But I have trouble believing that about JS and I know you do not
fit that mold. So what is the explanation Ram?
Anyone expecting an answer to questions like that would merely be
demonstrating their living in denial, unable to accept the widely
prevalent and discernible truths that surround them like so nmany
Indians seem to do.
I hate to see you act so disoriented a desi, Ram :-)
c-da
At 1:00 PM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
>Why would anyone want to go pick a fight with someone who
would proclaim "---
There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address
this utter frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor
wrong' crowd. The recommendations from JS may be strong, but
there is a lot of truth in what he says about the unstable
situation in the state created by ULFA - and the fact that the
state (as it is overburdened with other problems) is now having
face the "insurgency" problem.
Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the
questions like JS asks/comments:
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for
peace,
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of
which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
These and other questions have been asked before - and we have
YET to receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds is really NOT a
solution. Why can't someone just answer to the questions.
-Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum
of SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge. Why would anyone want
to go pick a fight with someone who would proclaim "---The only
solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and
put all their sympathizers behind bars. " It would be like
challenging an Indian who would put a man on the Moon in 2010; or
recommend that all those who do not agree with him be banished to
'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?
c-da
At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hehehe C'da,
I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an
extreme outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how
many of the younger generation in Assam feel. What kind of
answers do you have for them - or do you think their feelings
ought to just brushed aside?
>But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS
in >his place :) :).
C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the
other court. People like me will sit this out for a while atleast
and see what happens. At some point, I will come in to defend JS
if he needs it - I have a feeling, he won't. He has done good so
far.
>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might
be, ?are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then
there would >have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention
India.
No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.
>instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA
>sympathizers, who will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in
Denmark:), and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no
sympathazer. I would expect them sympathizers to be up in arms
even if they circle the wagons and make it muddier:)
JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ram:
Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
recommendations and conclusions.
Good that Sharma is letting off steam. But as an informed and
experienced NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to
Sharma the profound flaws in his line of thinking, even though I
know you are unable to free your own thought processes entirely
from a blind devotion to the derelict Indian state :-).
If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might
be, are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there
would have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
So, what is missing?
Don't you think you, as someone more knowledgeable, and more
experienced than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help
him see things in a more mature light; instead of passing the
buck to them despicable ULFA sympathizers, who will only make the
issue more muddy :-)?
c-da
At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward
post, if there was one, in these forums in a long time. I
welcome that fresh air of audacity :)
There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this
forum too. I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and
so will wait to see waht they write.
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every
ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for
peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts.
Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.
Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of
which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their
members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is
better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.
Jyotirmoy
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